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    I don't like how the Gym Leaders don't have full teams. At least put in 5. It only takes what, 30-50 minutes from the start of the game to Viola? Surely with XY's pace, you could have caught a full team already by then, and leveled them all up to at least Lv12 even without the Exp Share. The Elite Four are even worse. Only 4 Pokémons?? What's wrong with you people? You're the Elite Four, the strongest trainers in the region, only below the Champion. You're not supposed to let us easily take the title of Champion.

    And these Gym Leaders and E4 and the Champion should actually do something about the main baddies. Lance did something against Team Rocket, but the main character still did most of the work. Alder didn't much either... No, he and his E4 didn't even do anything. Only Unova's Gym Leaders were brave enough to actually help do something against Team Plasma, but only pre-time skip. 2 years later, a revived Team Plasma tries to freeze Unova, and the main character gotta do everything himself/herself. In XY, Sycamore and Diantha knows Lysandre, but they do complete jack diddly doo.

    The way I look at it, being a Champion means nothing anymore. Who cares if I beat all the Gym leaders and Elite Four and become Champion? I single-handedly stopped an entire group of terrorists wanting to take control of the region/world, and have the Legendary Pokémons under my control at such a young age. What did the Diantha do other than sit on her buttocks all day and look pretty on camera?

    /sorry for the rant. Just how I felt about most of the Gym Leaders/Elite Four/Champions.
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    I'll agree with you there. But to be honest, a lack of E4/Gym Leader involvement has been the case throughout the generations (which is why it was so nice to see it differently in BW, and to a lesser extend B2W2). There's only the few other cases here and there where they are shown to live outside the gym or league, e.g. Jasmine, Lance, Wallace I guess in RS? HGSS did well in adding the gym leader phone numbers business so you could see them in the overworld and get more info about them. That developed them nicely. So it was a disappointment to see X&Y take a step backwards.

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    I think you have a point there with how X & Y kind of went a little backwards. It might have a lot to do with the new interface Nintendo had to work with. I'd think that if you had this big idea of a lot of new things to add to a new 3D game, then you sort of lose sight of the smaller things from the past that made the games what they've been so far.

    As for Gym Leaders, I think I don't have to repeat how the lack/omitting of a Dark-Type Gym Leader is somewhat disappointing. They should've gone ahead and added Gym types that haven't been around for a while. Not to mention that, to me at least, most of the Gyms seem a little too easy to overcome. I stress that by saying how you could even take on Ramon even without the use of Fire/Flying types. Considering how much Grass types have to overcome advantage wise, that Ramon would at least pack on more Pokemon, have stronger ones, or even be an E4 or a later gym by himself.

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    I think you have a point there with how X & Y kind of went a little backwards. It might have a lot to do with the new interface Nintendo had to work with. I'd think that if you had this big idea of a lot of new things to add to a new 3D game, then you sort of lose sight of the smaller things from the past that made the games what they've been so far.
    That's a fair point, but nonetheless a disappointment that some stuff falls by the wayside. And it's happened in previous generations too. Look at say HGSS to BW: neat stuff like the bottom screen interface, the lack of need to hold B to run, the follow me feature... gone. Or the Poketch from DPPt. I suspect a lot of it also has to do with Game freak really often working in two (or maybe even more?) groups split up on different Pokemon projects - some stuff just doesn't transfer due to that, perhaps. (And btw, Game Freak made the games, Nintendo just publishes. =p)

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    The Elite Four in this game is to easy only 4 pokemon is to easy but the champion is a bit harder
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    It would be so much better if in the next games, the E4 and Gym Leaders could be rebattled in the Chateau having full teams, with items, and a higher AI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobandbill View Post
    That's a fair point, but nonetheless a disappointment that some stuff falls by the wayside. And it's happened in previous generations too. Look at say HGSS to BW: neat stuff like the bottom screen interface, the lack of need to hold B to run, the follow me feature... gone. Or the Poketch from DPPt. I suspect a lot of it also has to do with Game freak really often working in two (or maybe even more?) groups split up on different Pokemon projects - some stuff just doesn't transfer due to that, perhaps. (And btw, Game Freak made the games, Nintendo just publishes. =p)
    And even thinking of it like that, imagine how much Game Freak thank you for the correction, btw ^^; loses just by doing so. I bet that would be a major downfall production wise considering all of the key elements that are now being tossed aside and forgotten. What I think Game Freak (and all gaming companies, really) needs is a team that looks back at all the aspects of older games and then divides up smaller teams to make sure these elements are added and kept in newer versions. That way, if something does need to b revamped or revisited for content value, you won't lose out on the bare necessities for the games.

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    Probably a silly thing to pick at, but I kind of wish the Gym Leaders, Elite Four, and Champion in XY had animated 3D models like the members of Team Flare/rival characters/Sycamore when you battle them (the intro battle screen with "___ wants to battle."). I could understand the generic Trainer classes initiating the battle with a static 2D picture, but why couldn't GF go an extra mile for the Gym Leaders/etc and animate them? That would've been wicked sweet! Don't get me wrong; I already thought seeing the 2D art was a cool way of showing the "___ wants to battle." screen, but I had always assumed from the first battle with Shauna at the beginning of the game that non-generic characters (sans Team Flare) would get animated 3D models during a battle. I hope they decide to do that come Pokemon Z (or whatever the third game will be called).


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    I'd honestly be more upset if the third game wasn't called Z ... Like if they called it ... Pokemon Beta or something...

    Actually, that might e a little cool lol.

    Pokemon X & Y , then Pokemon Z;

    Then they let out Pokemon Alpha & Beta, and go into Delta or Theta. That's just wishful thinking though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookauthor1123 View Post
    I'd honestly be more upset if the third game wasn't called Z ... Like if they called it ... Pokemon Beta or something...

    Actually, that might e a little cool lol.

    Pokemon X & Y , then Pokemon Z;

    Then they let out Pokemon Alpha & Beta, and go into Delta or Theta. That's just wishful thinking though.
    Or maybe they'd call it Pokémon W. For World. And it would be an MMORPG.

    But I'm guessing that's just even more wishful thinking.

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    That depends, really. The 3DS is clearly seen to be struggling with 3D models, as the sudden decrease in frame rate would attest to. I'd like more 3D models of people too, but if it means slower game play, even for just a few seconds, then just give me the regular paper cut outs.


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    Has anyone addressed the fact that Olympia is most certainly a Time Lord? And that her gym is definitely a TARDIS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebrand View Post
    Has anyone addressed the fact that Olympia is most certainly a Time Lord? And that her gym is definitely a TARDIS?
    No way to tell. I'll have to severely misinterpret her one liners to come to this conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebrand View Post
    Has anyone addressed the fact that Olympia is most certainly a Time Lord? And that her gym is definitely a TARDIS?
    one thing i can say she's a fortune teller from the looks of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebrand View Post
    Has anyone addressed the fact that Olympia is most certainly a Time Lord? And that her gym is definitely a TARDIS?
    When the Kalos Gym leaders started being leaked, I immediately thought she was Fantina's sister or at least a relative, due to the way they are both dressed, the types of Gym they both have (Ghost for Fantina, Psychic for Olympia), their names, and the fact that Olympia is in Kalos, which is based on France, and Fantina having a French accent (in the anime) and her dialogue ingame. There's no hints supporting this anywhere in X/Y, but maybe in Z, Fantina might visit Kalos and mention that she is Olympia's sister or something.*

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    Also, ingame rival Serena without the hat. So cute!! XD


    Anyways, I was pretty disappointed Blue was only mentioned by NPCs, and not interactable with. Also, that lady only said he was Oak's grandson. Didn't even mention he used to be Kanto's Champion for a bit, then became Viridian City's Gym leader. >:/
    Also, no Cynthia. What the heck. She's been in every main game since D/P/P, and she's just not in XY all of sudden. Better bring her back in Z, Gamefreak! I want my Cynthia in every game!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SazandoraIsAwesome View Post
    When the Kalos Gym leaders started being leaked, I immediately thought she was Fantina's sister or at least a relative, due to the way they are both dressed, the types of Gym they both have (Ghost for Fantina, Psychic for Olympia), their names, and the fact that Olympia is in Kalos, which is based on France, and Fantina having a French accent (in the anime) and her dialogue ingame. There's no hints supporting this anywhere in X/Y, but maybe in Z, Fantina might visit Kalos and mention that she is Olympia's sister or something.*



    I have a total crush on Alexa and Viola! Even Serena's mom. Just watch the anime, and you'll know what I'm talking about... Gosh, I'm such a perv <_< >_>
    Also, ingame rival Serena without the hat. So cute!! XD


    Anyways, I was pretty disappointed Blue was only mentioned by NPCs, and not interactable with. Also, that lady only said he was Oak's grandson. Didn't even mention he used to be Kanto's Champion for a bit, then became Viridian City's Gym leader. >:/
    Also, no Cynthia. What the heck. She's been in every main game since D/P/P, and she's just not in XY all of sudden. Better bring her back in Z, Gamefreak! I want my Cynthia in every game!
    Fantina is English in JP, Psychic has no connection to Ghost, I don't really see them similar, simply a name doesn't mean that they are related (see Bertha, Agatha), so don't count on it.

    Serena looks infinitely better than Yvonne or whatever her official name is.


    Meh, I don't want Blue to appear, Prof. Rowan has a higher chance than them, IMO, since Sycamore was his student, and Rowan was mentioned a lot more than any of them.






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    Viola is my favorite gym leader, she was PERFECT. :P
    Ramos is usually the most challenging though, Seriously does that jumpluff even know any moves besides acrobatics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraChannelerChris View Post
    No way to tell. I'll have to severely misinterpret her one liners to come to this conclusion.
    But I mean... bigger on the inside, all of time and space. She's not just going to come out and say "Allons-y" before you fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaby View Post

    @MonMonCandie

    That depends, really. The 3DS is clearly seen to be struggling with 3D models, as the sudden decrease in frame rate would attest to. I'd like more 3D models of people too, but if it means slower game play, even for just a few seconds, then just give me the regular paper cut outs.
    True. That's true. Well, maybe as they proceed with the third game, Game Freak might figure out how to work with the 3D models better. I'm not claiming to be an expert or anything on it, but it's a hope.

    Anyways, I noticed something when my family and I were at Ikea the other day. At our Ikea store, they sell these plants called Pachira Aquatica. What is a Pachira Aquatica and why am I bringing this up?

    1) Pachira is Malva's Japanese name.

    2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachira_aquatica
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    Can I say Game Freak may have thought that through with Malva's Japanese name? It certainly alludes to another point that she is indeed a member or ex-member of Team Flare (besides the obvious hints in the game). I could be grasping at straws, but I just had to say something because it was so interesting! lol xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonMonCandie View Post

    Anyways, I noticed something when my family and I were at Ikea the other day. At our Ikea store, they sell these plants called Pachira Aquatica. What is a Pachira Aquatica and why am I bringing this up?

    1) Pachira is Malva's Japanese name.

    2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachira_aquatica
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    Can I say Game Freak may have thought that through with Malva's Japanese name? It certainly alludes to another point that she is indeed a member or ex-member of Team Flare (besides the obvious hints in the game). I could be grasping at straws, but I just had to say something because it was so interesting! lol xD
    i can say its possible, oh yeah i was thinking did the gym leaders here got mixed up, cause from what i've seen so far, valerie says she came from johto, then drasna came from sinnoh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonMonCandie View Post
    True. That's true. Well, maybe as they proceed with the third game, Game Freak might figure out how to work with the 3D models better. I'm not claiming to be an expert or anything on it, but it's a hope.

    Anyways, I noticed something when my family and I were at Ikea the other day. At our Ikea store, they sell these plants called Pachira Aquatica. What is a Pachira Aquatica and why am I bringing this up?

    1) Pachira is Malva's Japanese name.

    2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachira_aquatica
        Spoiler:- The interesting section:


    Can I say Game Freak may have thought that through with Malva's Japanese name? It certainly alludes to another point that she is indeed a member or ex-member of Team Flare (besides the obvious hints in the game). I could be grasping at straws, but I just had to say something because it was so interesting! lol xD

    Clearly I am a Malva fan.
    Crap, I was gonna post this since they sold them at our Ikea too :/

    Anyway, it being called a money tree and it appearing in businessess may also have to do with how she is the Holo Caster announcer and how she obviously appears to be rich.

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    Here is my opinion on this gens gym leaders and elite four.

    I was sorely disappointed this time around. Like many have said here, the suspense was lacking. I felt like everything was too easy and the game itself was pretty short-lived for me. Usually I have to spend at least thirty minutes training before a gym because I whizz through a game so fast, but not this time!

    However the openings to the elite-four were a nice surprise. They were pretty well done! Probably my favorite part of any of the 'major' battles in this game.

    I guess the new features kinda balance the poor challenges I got from the big battles in the game.


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    Has anyone else realized that each Champion past and present are capable of using Mega-Evolution on at least one of their Pokémon?

    Blue- Mega Alakazam, Mega Gyarados, Mega Aerodactyl

    Lance- Mega Gyarados, Mega Aerodactyl, Mega Charizard

    Wallace- Mega Gyarados (He could be used a lot...)

    Cynthia- Mega Garchomp, Mega Lucario,

    Alder- Wow, he's actually the only exception from this... Then again he wasn't really much of a Champion to start with :/

    Iris- Mega Aggron

    Diantha- Mega Gardevoir (obviously)

    So yeah, every Champion except Alder could use Mega Evolution even Red since he has every Kanto starter
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConUxie223 View Post
    Has anyone else realized that each Champion past and present are capable of using Mega-Evolution on at least one of their Pokémon?

    Blue- Mega Alakazam, Mega Gyarados, Mega Aerodactyl

    Lance- Mega Gyarados, Mega Aerodactyl, Mega Charizard

    Wallace- Mega Gyarados (He could be used a lot...)

    Cynthia- Mega Garchomp, Mega Lucario,

    Alder- Wow, he's actually the only exception from this... Then again he wasn't really much of a Champion to start with :/

    Iris- Mega Aggron

    Diantha- Mega Gardevoir (obviously)

    So yeah, every Champion except Alder could use Mega Evolution even Red since he has every Kanto starter
    oh wait why didn't i noticed it in the first place, i wish alder has one

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConUxie223 View Post
    Alder- Wow, he's actually the only exception from this... Then again he wasn't really much of a Champion to start with :/
    Alder can't because his team is exclusively Gen V and there were no gen V megas. It had nothing to do with his aptitude.
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    My favorite was siebold he seems so good with the water
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