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    I haven't seen anyone complaining about the Shiny Beasts who appeared in the Zoroark movie and yet, according to the legend of Ecruteak City, Ho-oh brought life to a trio of Pokemon who perished in the Burned Tower (former Brass Tower). So what happened? Other Pokemon, which were coincidentally in trios and died in multiple burning towers, where brought back by Ho-oh as the same species of the first resurrected? Why didn't them become of other types, like Grass or Psychic?

    There are a lot of things that don't make logically sense in Pokemon. Another Mewtwo is one of those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cresselia92 View Post
    I haven't seen anyone complaining about the Shiny Beasts who appeared in the Zoroark movie and yet, according to the legend of Ecruteak City, Ho-oh brought life to a trio of Pokemon who perished in the Burned Tower (former Brass Tower). So what happened? Other Pokemon, which were coincidentally in trios and died in multiple burning towers, where brought back by Ho-oh as the same species of the first resurrected? Why didn't them become of other types, like Grass or Psychic?

    There are a lot of things that don't make logically sense in Pokemon. Another Mewtwo is one of those things.
    Now, here is the part where your argument of "there's more than one of *legend here*, another Mewtwo makes PERFECT sense!" falls apart:

    Mewtwo is not a natural creature. He's a one off. A select group of humans made him. All knowledge of Mewtwo that can be used to recreate Mewtwo is gone. Destroyed. Wiped out. Ceased to exist.

    And yet Team Generic apparantly make another anyway. Why? No explanation given. A gaping plot hole.
    Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
    Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."
    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    They had to use a new mewtwo, or the whole "I hate humans, they treat pokemon terribly" thing wouldn't make sense since old mewtwo had the revelation it was wrong a long time ago.
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    If they still made Mewtwo the original one, they could have easily changed the movie to make him an ally to Ash and the gang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    They had to use a new mewtwo, or the whole "I hate humans, they treat pokemon terribly" thing wouldn't make sense since old mewtwo had the revelation it was wrong a long time ago.
    ...so then why would they bother with that plot point to begin with?

    Also that seems like lazy writing: we can't do anything new with Character A, let's just replace him with another Character A and reuse the old Character A's story.
    Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
    Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."
    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    Ugh, I missed the start of this. I'm now stuck right in the middle/the end of it and i have no idea what's going on.

    Oh well. It looks sweet though, despite the plot holes. (I can understand the being upset, but I'm not too bothered by it.)

    ....I forgot how much I loved oshawott's english voice. /offtopic.

    EDIT: *watches them get surronded by fire* ohhhh, 4x weak to fire.

    These poor genoscet.


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    Did... Mewtwo show symbolize execution to Genesect by taking it beyond the layers of the Earth? I can see it's stubborness is not breaking through. Worse than Mewtwo's before Ash showed sacrifice from the first movie. This Genesect here is just not going to understand.

    Oh nevermind. Mewtwo was just trying to show the Earth is their home. That's better. I guess.
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    Maybe it is just me, but sarah's VA for ash sounds better than it ever has here. Also, I'm liking getting to see all of the random other pokemon help out.

    It was funny seeing cilan with ralts and roserade though, because the whole saga people speculated gim catching both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    Maybe it is just me, but sarah's VA for ash sounds better than it ever has here. Also, I'm liking getting to see all of the random other pokemon help out.
    She's had years of practice, she's pretty much perfected it. XD

    Not gonna lie, she's much easier on the ears now.


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    Sarah has done Ash for well over 8 years now, and I can't agree more. It's just what I'm use to now. Veronica will live on, but Sarah stabilizes Ash's profile.

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    Well if it's any consolation for this movie, out of the 30-40 minutes i watched, I felt like our main character's pokemon did a lot more then usual in movies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marbi Z View Post
    Mewtwo.... Did not....have....a....female...voice!!!!!! Ohhhh you'll be hearing from me game freak on my facebook! On my twitter! On my miiverse! And of course on this forum!!!!
    Different individual. Different Mewtwo. Not the same one. As female as a genderless species can be.

    Okay, can someone finally be able to tell me...who's her english voice? Who dubbed her? I don't get CN, so I'll have to find this elsewhere for now.

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    I think it's Bella Hudson. It reminds me of Blaze.
    Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
    Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."
    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    I do hope that someone posts a clip on youtube or wherever so I can hear her voice. I want to hear how they did. I was wanting so much that they not butcher her voice. I fell in love with how it all sounded in the Japanese version.

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    So, uh, I thought this movie was just below average because of the fact it's a random (woman!) Mewtwo and the Genesect screeching like insects nearly all the time was annoying. In fact, just like the Kyurem movie, Ash, Iris, and Cilan sit back and do nearly nothing, not unlikely Reshiram & Zekrom where they all did their part. And if they tried to get into the action, you could just compare Oshawott's lame attempts to douse out the blue(?) fire compared to that wild Feraligatr.

    And the feud between Mewtwo and Red Genesect was dragging out for too long it felt stale. The fact anime(!) Mega Mewtwo Y can be a Sonic the Hedgehog with flight powers was...the most, randomest thing ever. Just as random as the ultimate Kyurem from the previous movie who can change formes at will.

    Then there comes to second Mewtwo, the one with a feminine voice. Besides her random upbringing and complete lack of important backstory details, I'm very used to seeing a perpetual frowner in Mewtwo. She kind of...smiled too many times it was creepy.

    Speaking about the wild Pokémon, they were actually awesome more than the legendaries and the main cast. The Psychic-types can Waterbend! And that Feraligart was the most awesome one I've seen so far. It's kind of sad I liked the wild Pokémon more than the main characters. Too bad the Sableye did squat other than saying, "Freaky hive-thing inside my home!". By the way, WHO THE HECK BUILDS THE CITY'S MAIN POWER GENERATOR BELOW A HUGE POKEMON HABITAT WHERE SAID POKEMON COULD POSSIBLY DESTROY IT?

    Oh, and they kind of tried making Eric important until he stepped out. I wish we could have someone like Kid from the Mystery of Mew back.

    So yes. Overall, this movie wasn't that great. Good thing the XY quality seems to be a step up in the right direction for action...for now. We've got a good chance, perhaps.



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    I liked this movie overall. Mewtwo having a female voice kind of irked me a bit, but I got over it.
    And I knew the Mewtwo was going to be different. The Mew in M8 obviously wasn't the same one from M1, so I expected they'd make a new Mewtwo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerekminyA View Post
    ...Like I said, I don't care about myself- I care about my fellow fans instead. And I do think balance between old and new viewers is important.

    And the point I was trying to make with my quip was to not forget about longtime fans (since, regardless of who's watching, bigger viewer numbers= cha-CHING), as well as a reminder of the irony where, when one audience is appealed to, more viewers are likely to come in, whereas when multiple contrasting audiences are appealed to, less viewers are likely to come in.
    Except they didn't forget about long time fans....that's why the movie is using a Mewtwo to begin with. If people only watched this movie because they saw a Mewtwo then they had no intention of watching it otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinger556 View Post
    If the just used the Real Mewtwo, it would have catered to the Older Fanbase while still making the Newer one happy. It'd be a Win-Win.... But instead they decide to only make Eps/Movies for 10 year olds and refuse to grow up with their audience
    Irony considering how bad your whining is. Including Mewtwo was catering to the older fans. using the other Mewtwo would have been redundant.

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    Maybe it is just me, but sarah's VA for ash sounds better than it ever has here.
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    *Watches movie* Let me be completely honest and say that I had no idea this was even airing today; the lack of promo for this movie is to blame. I mean I've seen commercials for all the other movies but it seems like the network gave up on this movie before it even aired by cutting its promo budget or something; maybe they knew that the ratings wouldn't be high because of all the movie's flaws or plotholes? I don't know, but I'm lucky a friend of mine reminded me that it was airing today. Anyway, as I predicted, the movie was a flop and I'm talking from a plot standpoint, not its commercial success or lack thereof. I thought the story in the original version was convoluted and hard to follow, but the dub made the whole thing even more difficult to follow. I was willing to overlook some of the previous plotholes, but the English dub (purposely I'm assuming) seemed to neglect a few key points and only made things worse. I will say however that I loved the animation during the Genesect vs. Mewtwo battle at night in the city. That was always my favorite scene from the previews, and Mewtwo having a female voice was at least consistent with the original version of the movie (even if we didn't really learn how this Mewtwo came to be outside of the vague flashbacks we got before). The scene where the Red Genesect and Mewtwo went into space gave me the giggles like I knew it would because of how silly and sappy the whole thing was; I wanted a hardcore ending to their rivalry but I guess that was too much to ask for. I give this movie a 3/10, which is practically what I gave the original version.

    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    Maybe it is just me, but sarah's VA for ash sounds better than it ever has here.
    We must be hearing different voices then because Ash's voice still sounds robotic and emotionless to me. Even when he's feeling a strong emotion, his VA just can't emote imo.

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    For those wondering, Newtwo's voiced by Miriam Pultro, not Bella Hudson.
    Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
    Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."
    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    This was a pretty decent movie. I loved the actions scenes between Mewtwo and the Genesect. I'll give it a 7/10.
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    I still miss Veronica Taylor, tbh. Not saying that Sarah isn't decent, but Veronica was the first.

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    Shetwo/Mewtwo in this movie is great. I was afraid that she would be nerfed like crazy, but she survived it and showed what she was capable of. I really liked her personality; very different from the original Mewtwo, which is good. It helps set her apart. Preferring to use words over action, but can absolutely hold her own in battle when she is "wasting her breath". Loved that part near the end when she just up and psy-grabs Genesect after getting tired of its attitude. Also, the times when she would go into super-speedy Mega Y mode made my jaw drop!

    Unfortunately, outside of the Pokemon themselves, there's little to say. Too much time was spent showing Mewtwo & Red Genesect racing around; the movie spent too much of its time trying to look cool versus building up anything substantial towards a plot. Did anyone else notice how the two of them spent half the film doing laps around the Genesect hive? And then the entire city's power was being kept BENEATH A FACILITY FOR WILD POKEMON. How lazy.
    Sure, I got feels for Douse Drive Genesect, but I don't need it continually hammered on my head that the thing is innocent and wants to go home. Stop torturing it, for crying out loud! The pity party only works effectively once. The film shows all this hardcore action, then poof, we're in the middle of a sentimental scene with Douse Genesect and the water lillies... then poof, right back into the action! Too much emotional flip-flopping around. And pulling the "eye lights go to make it look like it is dead when it is actually not" card was cliche and lazy.

    That's how this movie can be summed up - lazy. Very pretty to look at, but extremely lazy in just about all other aspects. The new Mewtwo's existence? Why she can Mega Evolve without a stone/Mewtwonite Y? The plot of the film? The way Ash and company were handled? I don't think Iris even did anything at all except stand around! What happened to their Pokemon, like Dragonite and Charizard?
    The opening of this film was so~ good, so promising. How Mewtwo could tap into the minds of the Genesect and see how they were made, and where they came from, was epic. But as usual, once Ash and friends walk in is where the film grinds to a complete stop. The only interesting parts are the interactions between Mewtwo and the Genesect. The movie kept the scale too small, keeping the Pokemon cooped up in this tiny facility versus taking their confrontation elsewhere. There should've been more build-up to the Genesect going berserk due to their home being gone, versus immediately making their way towards humanity and spending the next 3/4ths of the film making a home and being jerks.

    Alas, this is the film we have instead. I can't say I'm disappointed; knowing we got a 2nd Mewtwo at all, I knew things weren't looking good. At the very least, I like Shetwo, she's a great Mewtwo. I'd honestly enjoy seeing where she goes, and what adventures are in store for her. Otherwise... it's not something I'd recommend, let alone ever really watch twice. It's frustratingly stupid.
    But at least it was pretty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Attaxx View Post
    For those wondering, Newtwo's voiced by Miriam Pultro, not Bella Hudson.
    I have no idea who that is, but I'll look it up. Thankees!

    I just want to find the dub version of this now. I want to see if they measured up at all...not that the hype has been the greatest, because it hasn't been.

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    I liked this movie.

    The random Chansey appearing out of nowhere after the Chansey pun was pretty funny in my opinion. It was also nice to see background Pokemon like Feraligatr and Persian getting to fight and actually hang in there against the Genesect. You usually don't get to see that happen too often. Also happy that those Rock-type Pokemon survived the fall into the water.It's too bad we didn't get to see more of the bird Pokemon flying with Mewtwo at the beginning, but I guess regional birds aren't supposed to get too much time to shine anyway. I really wished that Iris and Cilan could get to do more in this movie since it was there last one. Hopefully they'll get there time to shine when they return in Kalos.

    And yes, I got the very New York City feel as well along with the hot dog delicacies. 7/10 enjoyable

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