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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmy View Post
    The reasoning for the different Mewtwo is most likely because the Mega formes are meant to give Mewtwo a gender. The Y forme is more feminine than the X forme, so they had a new Mewtwo with a feminine voice in order to connect it.
    In that case Mr. Yuyama could've easily centered the movie around Mega Mewtwo X and brought back the old, masculine Mewtwo to keep things consistent, but he chose not to. There's a quote by him in someone's signature and it shows how flippantly he treated the Mewtwo thing; it's almost as if he didn't care about previously established events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWhiteMonta View Post
    Yes, but from both Movie 1 and Mewtwo Returns, that Mewtwo sees Ash as a trustworthy person.

    The Mewtwo in this movie did not, at least not until the end.
    I never said he didn't. If M1/Mewtwo Returns Mewtwo was in M16 then M16 wouldn't play out exactly the same.

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    Cast from the credit roll:

    Ikue Ohtani
    Sarah Natochenny
    Eileen Stevens
    Jason Griffith
    Miriam Pultro [Mewtwo]
    Scottie Ray [Eric or Red Genesect?]
    Samia Mounts [Douse Genesect?]
    Jake Paque [One of the other Genesect?]
    Rodger Parsons
    Carter Cathcart
    Eli James
    Michele Knotz
    Lisa Ortiz
    Bill Rogers
    Kazie Rogers [this is Kayzie Rogers, obvious error in the credits]
    Yuko Minaguchi
    Alyson Leigh Rosenfeld
    Erica Schroeder
    Billy Thompson [Could this be one of Marc Thompson's sons? The boy with the Eevee actually sounded like a kid...]
    Marc Thompson
    Henry Wayland
    Tom Wayland

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    Was better than the last 7 movies so I can't complain much. I got over Newtwo pretty quickly, what the hell was so wrong with Red Genesect's voice ill never know, scenery was great, animation was cool, plot moves at a decent pace..... 6-7/10

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    I liked this movie. It was great compared to the other BW ones.
    The only thing I didn't like was Mewtwo's voice was different. I know it isn't the same one but I'm used to a masculine voice for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    Cast from the credit roll:

    Ikue Ohtani
    Sarah Natochenny
    Eileen Stevens
    Jason Griffith
    Miriam Pultro [Mewtwo]
    Scottie Ray [Eric or Red Genesect?]
    Samia Mounts [Douse Genesect?]
    Jake Paque [One of the other Genesect?]
    Rodger Parsons
    Carter Cathcart
    Eli James
    Michele Knotz
    Lisa Ortiz
    Bill Rogers
    Kazie Rogers [this is Kayzie Rogers, obvious error in the credits]
    Yuko Minaguchi
    Alyson Leigh Rosenfeld
    Erica Schroeder
    Billy Thompson [Could this be one of Marc Thompson's sons? The boy with the Eevee actually sounded like a kid...]
    Marc Thompson
    Henry Wayland
    Tom Wayland
    > Andrea Libman is not on there

    Well whoever voiced Fluttersect did a damn good impression of Fluttershy :U

    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    There's a quote by him in someone's signature and it shows how flippantly he treated the Mewtwo thing; it's almost as if he didn't care about previously established events.
    Apparantly that thing in my sig is a mistranslation, and he instead said "Yes, you should think of this as a second Mewtwo"... whch honestly just raises further questions. I mean what, now he's saying it IS the original Mewtwo, just that we should consider it a second? If that's what he meant, then why didn't he just stick to Mewtwo's character as it was by the end of Mewtwo Returns?
    Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
    Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."
    Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

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    The more I think about it, I'm becoming certain that based on the order of credit, Scottie Ray was Red Genesect and Jake Paque was Eric. One thing that's not in doubt is that Samia Mounts was Douse Genesect.

    In a hilarious act of irony, if Scottie Ray played the Red Genesect... he was Cullen in Mewtwo Returns all those years ago, and now he played Mewtwo's direct antagonist.

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    I watched this 3 days ago when it first aired in the UK, late post but to put things short i really enjoyed it. The dub did a great job and i'm pleased they had Ash say "Hold on your...".

    Regardless of that small phrase, it's still unacceptable that this was the only line to reference any knowledge of a previous Mewtwo and i am still extremely disappointed by that fact. Like i've said already, the only way i'll accept this happening is if both Old Mewtwo and New Mewtwo meet in XY where they showcase their Mega Mewtwo X and Y respectively.

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    Anyway, onto the movie. It was a brilliant pace, and the movie had an epic feeling too it which previous movies have lacked for me. It had more emotion than usual with Genesect jumping to save Ash, i liked that scene. The battle overall was pretty bad, Mewtwo never actually had any badass fight moment, instead it was always just shielding everybody and itself from Red Genesect's attacks which sucks. The final scene travelling to space was really cool and the part where they fell down and everybody had to save them was great.

    The opening and ending theme songs were good, Charizard and Dragonite hitting their heads was funny, Crustle being glorified by the Dwebble was cool, Sableye was a nice addition and the scene with Ash flying on Genesect was really nice with the music playing.

    8/10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Butler View Post
    Cast from the credit roll:

    Ikue Ohtani
    Sarah Natochenny
    Eileen Stevens
    Jason Griffith
    Miriam Pultro [Mewtwo]
    Scottie Ray [Eric or Red Genesect?]
    Samia Mounts [Douse Genesect?]
    Jake Paque [One of the other Genesect?]
    Rodger Parsons
    Carter Cathcart
    Eli James
    Michele Knotz
    Lisa Ortiz
    Bill Rogers
    Kazie Rogers [this is Kayzie Rogers, obvious error in the credits]
    Yuko Minaguchi
    Alyson Leigh Rosenfeld
    Erica Schroeder
    Billy Thompson [Could this be one of Marc Thompson's sons? The boy with the Eevee actually sounded like a kid...]
    Marc Thompson
    Henry Wayland
    Tom Wayland
    The list is alphabetical order after Rodger Parsons, so everyone from Ohtani to Parsons is a starring role and not secondary.

    I'm betting Scottie Ray is Red Genesect, Samia Mounts is Drive Genesect, Jake Paque is all the other Genesects, and Rodger Parsons is Eric.

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    Hello can I join please ??

    I watched the movie, and it's REALLY good! Love the action and everything, but the thing that is really bugging me, is that half of the clips that were in the trailer are not in the movie, I'm not going to list all the clips that were cut out, but one was when Ash turns around and Genesect is coming towards him, when it fly's past, the wind pushes Ash back (sorry if I didn't explain that very well, rubbish at explaining stuff haha) but did they cut them clips out or something ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeHero96 View Post
    Hello can I join please ??

    I watched the movie, and it's REALLY good! Love the action and everything, but the thing that is really bugging me, is that half of the clips that were in the trailer are not in the movie, I'm not going to list all the clips that were cut out, but one was when Ash turns around and Genesect is coming towards him, when it fly's past, the wind pushes Ash back (sorry if I didn't explain that very well, rubbish at explaining stuff haha) but did they cut them clips out or something ??
    Trailers usually has scenes that were chnaged in the final product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeHero96 View Post
    Hello can I join please ??

    I watched the movie, and it's REALLY good! Love the action and everything, but the thing that is really bugging me, is that half of the clips that were in the trailer are not in the movie, I'm not going to list all the clips that were cut out, but one was when Ash turns around and Genesect is coming towards him, when it fly's past, the wind pushes Ash back (sorry if I didn't explain that very well, rubbish at explaining stuff haha) but did they cut them clips out or something ??
    Nearly every single shot in those trailers was not in the final version of the film. That is usually how it is with anime movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeoViolet View Post
    Nearly every single shot in those trailers was not in the final version of the film. That is usually how it is with anime movies.
    Just like the "evil Ash" with the Zoroark movie.

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    I watched the movie again just to hear the soundtrack; I think this movie has better music than the previous Pokemon movies with the exception of Movie 8 tbh. The animation and the audio were amazing; why couldn't the plot be coherent as well? It just sucks that the most important part of the movie was so disastrous. And I really do wonder why some consider this to be the best BW movie; I thought Movie 15 had a better plot and over all it seemed more consistent so I prefer that movie over this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    The animation and the audio were amazing.
    Really? I hated the animation. The CGI was disastrous. I also didn't like the story. The last part of the movie was just a big flashy mess.

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    I loved the music "Smile"...I went and looked for the music video after hearing it....and when I heard "We're Coming Home" in its place in the English version, I just sat and listened again and again. It is completely mesmerizing.

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    To watch the first two episodes of XY, I ended up watching this movie and I didn't like it. This is the most disappointing Pokémon movie I've ever seen. They featured Mewtwo in this movie.... but instead of having the Mewtwo from the first movie, they put a totally different Newtwo Mewtwo in the movie.
    Aside from Ash's line "Wait a miniute, you're...", there was no reference to the Mewtwo from the first movie. Why did the writers even think of a different Mewtwo is beyond me.
    Then there's the simple and pretty much straightforward plot. The Genesect wanted to find home and Mewtwo wanted to help them, since she(!) knows how bad they feel about without a home. Throughout the movie, the Gensect tries to destroy the New Tork City in search for their home and Mewtwo tries to stop them. Like the previous movie, Ash didn't have a big role.....but the Pokémon had! It's weird how the scientists managed to make this Newtwo Mewtwo has the exact same appearance of the other (original)Mewtwo, it seemed like the scientists knew what the original Mewtwo looked liked....but actually they didn't.
    Then there's the anti-climactic ending. Mewtwo takes the Red Genesect to the space, then they observes the sun rising over the earth, Mewtwo telling Genesct "We have purposes, we are friends" while looking at the planet from space was quite cliché. It's weird how the angry Red Gensect suddenly turned good after that. It seemed liked
    this movie is trying to teach a moral value, but it just didn't go well with the movie and ended up sucking.

    The only things I liked about this movie were the animation, BGM, opening song and ending song. The movie was very well-animated and the action scenes looked cool! The original background music were fitting for the movie, it's cool to hear them in English dub.
    The full version of "It's Always You & Me" and "We're Coming Home" are great, TPCI did a good job composing songs for this movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPierce View Post
    The list is alphabetical order after Rodger Parsons, so everyone from Ohtani to Parsons is a starring role and not secondary.

    I'm betting Scottie Ray is Red Genesect, Samia Mounts is Drive Genesect, Jake Paque is all the other Genesects, and Rodger Parsons is Eric.
    You're right on Red and Douse, but Jake Paque has to be Eric, now that I look at it more. He can't be all the other Genesect because the Chill Drive Genesect still had a female voice in the dub. Rodger Parsons is just the narrator. The other Genesect also have so few lines that they wouldn't be major credits.

    If I had to guess, I would guess Yuko Minaguchi was Chill Drive Genesect, because that voice sounded completely unlike any of these other actors who have played often on the show. Billy Thompson is probably Marc Thompson's son and voiced Tanner, the brother in the family with the Eevee.

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    Ok I watched this one and have to say I really didn't like it.

    I can handle there being another Mewtwo. The original one was so powerful, other scientists would clearly try to replicate it or better it, similar to real life. So I don't mind there being a new female Mewtwo.

    But jeez the voice of that one Genesect made my skin crawl, it was like hearing Ash say "trip" all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattySadler View Post
    Ok I watched this one and have to say I really didn't like it.

    I can handle there being another Mewtwo. The original one was so powerful, other scientists would clearly try to replicate it or better it, similar to real life. So I don't mind there being a new female Mewtwo.

    But jeez the voice of that one Genesect made my skin crawl, it was like hearing Ash say "trip" all over again.
    The Original Mewtwo left a much bigger impact on me than this one did. This film...was better than 15, but...still disappointed me overall.

    My thoughts on the dub:

    - Miriam Pultro's Mewtwo made my skin crawl as well. They could've picked a much better female VA than that for this Mewtwo in the dub.

    - I really liked the Red Genesect's voice by Scottie Ray: he was GREAT. However, the Blue Genesect's voice was awful. Sent chills down my spine.

    - Eric's voice was good, as was the Narrator's.

    - Ash, Jessie, and James' voices were all...okay/tolerable, but still pale in comparison to their 4Kids English VAs.

    - Meowth's voice...I don't know what to say. Still really, really bad in so many ways.
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    In between which episodes would this movie have taken place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattySadler View Post
    In between which episodes would this movie have taken place?
    Acording to the japanese premier, this movie takes place in between "Capacia Island UFO!" and "The Journalist From Another Region!"
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    This movie was an absolute joke. As an older fan it felt like a slap in the face by the producers. All this has done is create questions and dilute the impact of M1. Ash's reaction (or lack of it ) to mewtwo's appearance is totally incomprehensible, so much for I'll always remember you. Even if I had no knowledge of a previous mewtwo, this movie on it's own had no plot, no backstory, a shocking script and felt as if it's target audience was a bunch of 5 year olds. I think the anime in general is far below the heights it reached in the early seasons but this travesty is an all time low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyrhk View Post
    This movie was an absolute joke. As an older fan it felt like a slap in the face by the producers. All this has done is create questions and dilute the impact of M1. Ash's reaction (or lack of it ) to mewtwo's appearance is totally incomprehensible, so much for I'll always remember you. Even if I had no knowledge of a previous mewtwo, this movie on it's own had no plot, no backstory, a shocking script and felt as if it's target audience was a bunch of 5 year olds. I think the anime in general is far below the heights it reached in the early seasons but this travesty is an all time low.
    Now you mention it, thinking back I can't for the life of me recall the story. Wow that is bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattySadler View Post
    Now you mention it, thinking back I can't for the life of me recall the story. Wow that is bad!
    I can't either, tbh.
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