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Seeing as I just needed to delete a page of post cause they were all off topic and useless to the discussion, i guess i need to make a statment. STAY ON TOPIC, arguments go to VMs
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Back on topic, about mixed talonflame, its a set aimed to be a gimmack, much like dd latios, to get around threats such as genesect and scizor without the recoil of flare blitz, which i could see being useful as talonflame has crap longevity, while hp ice allows talonflame to beat threats such as dragonite and, namely zygard without brave bird/acrobatics as they fail to OHKO and leaves talonflame open to be revenged.
Damn, this thing only has ONE point higher in atk then Dugtrio and it's still so much of a threat.
That's pretty amazing, but it does have 120 STABS, but it also has NO coverage outside of it basically.
It's a weird threat. Mixed simply isn't viable is it?
Talonflame is really powerful though. I use Heatran for it and HP Rock them out of the sky. Talonflame is significantly easier to handle in Pokebank with all the available Pokemon who can check it.
Last edited by McDanger; 13th November 2013 at 2:12 AM.
people already have heatran in this game???
where do you find it because I never knew
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Amazing how things like this work out.
Fly is a pretty terrible move from a competitive standpoint. I would switch that out for Quick Attack, also since Overheat runs off SpA you are running a Mixed Talonflame, you may get more mileage out of Flare Blitz and focusing on Attack.
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that's the whole idea bro! overheat to catch trainers off guard when they try to send in scizor or ferrothorn!!
and since I don't have any other SpA moves, the recoil wont hurt at all!!!
Here's the issue. Talonflame works best when focused. Overheat is an interesting option on him, and the idea has some novelty; but in the long run, Flare Blitz is a better return on your investment when running with Bravebird. Yes Flare Blitz hurts you, but it prevents an EV split. Scizor and Ferrothorn are not things that Talonflame is particularly worried about, as Flare Blitz is still x4, is getting the boost from your (presumably) Adamant nature, and (presumably) Attack EV investment.
Futher, while one Overheat, in some niche situations, may be better than one Flare Blitz; you are going to force yourself out against some opponents faster. For example, if you Overheat Scizor, your opponent now has a much easier time switching in anything that resists Flying.
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While recoil moves do come with their downsides, the fact is they are reliably powerful over and over. Talonflame can also run with Roost to offset that damage. Overheat just causes too many issues for me personally. It is not about Kamikaze style to me, it is about consistency. Flare Blitz will have consistent performance if Talonflame stays in, Overheat will not.
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It's a shame it doesn't get Hurricane or Air Slash (Or even Air Cutter for that matter) because a Special Set could have been viable.
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lol at steelix being common, thing is most steels switch out at the sight of talonflame in favor of something that can handle it such as Rotom wash and tyranitar, who take less from overheat then flare blitz. Overall circuit is right, tho most of the time the opponent wont sac a steel on talonflame, if any other fire move was a good idea on talonflame it would be will o wisp to cripple tyranitar and annoy rotom wash
Common steel types include Scizor, Genesect, Ferrothorn, Aegislash (big time), (Mega) Lucario, Heatran, Excadrill, and (Mega) Aggron. The only one you might have a case about would be Mega Aggron, but that's only because of the extreme difference between its Defense and Special Defense. Most other things are absolutely outdamaged by a fully invested Flare Blitz, especially in the case of Choice Band and SD sets.
And that's assuming they stay in on Talonflame in the first place. Most steel types not named Heatran know to GTFO when Talonflame is in the battle.
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Seriously. Don't just get annoyed when other people mock you for not knowing things. Listen to the rest of what they say, and don't even bother rising to the taunts. It's usually done in jest or just not directed at you, and they'll usually answer your question anyway.
Let's assume a Life Orb for a fair chance, and without an SD boost, since Choice Band or being at +2 guarantees Flare Blitz will outdamage.
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 816-967 (237.2 - 281.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Scizor: 624-738 (181.3 - 214.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
...Both are a 1HKO, although Flare Blitz overkills the standard Scizor so hard that it's not even funny. That's enough to 1HKO even if rain or reflect is up.
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 48+ Def Ferrothorn: 567-671 (161 - 190.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Overheat vs. 252 HP / 208 SpD Ferrothorn: 421-499 (119.6 - 141.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Still a 1HKO on standard Ferrothorn either way. Flare Blitz still outdamages though.
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 289-343 (89.1 - 105.8%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 198-237 (61.1 - 73.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Speaks for itself. Univested Overheat can't 1HKO Shield Forme, but Flare Blitz can. Not even gonna bother with Sword Forme since I think we all know it'll be 1HKO'd in that form regardless.
Mega Aggron is the exception.
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mega Aggron: 198-234 (57.5 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Aggron: 237-281 (68.8 - 81.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
In this case Overheat does outdamage, but it's still a 2HKO either way.
The question becomes whether or not it's worth it to carry the move specifically to outdamage Mega Aggron when it's still a 2HKO either way. And the answer to that question would be no, it's not really worth it when there's much more viable moves to carry. Roost, Swords Dance, U-Turn, even Will-o-Wisp would be better.