Me, Lizardon X, Maldread, Aegislash, Mr. Munchlax, Pikacalibur and RVD all commented on the puddle scene, it was roughly an annoyance at how the drama was portrayed or the criticism of the fact Serena and Fennekin were portrayed to be overly stereotypical in that scene. "I don't care if my clothes get dirty!" well of course, any decent trainer would put their Pokemon above their clothes. You seem to be missing the point the majority that commented weren't bashing but simply saying their criticisms and going on to say something somewhat positive for the character's future and how she'll learn to get past that. I just don't know what you're getting at by implying some members were sexist because they were criticizing Serena. This is coming from someone who once again, likes Serena a lot.
Not all of them were.
You're viewing everyone's post from an objective standpoint and not looking at the overarching problem with being portrayed to be helpless, not knowing how to battle, being afraid of dirt, being basically told that girls should always look pretty, crushing on a boy that obviously doesn't like you back, only baking for the group, going on a journey for a boy not for a Pokemon but for one boy she had a vague impression of, having no agency of your own, being saved regularly, being overly vain to the point where it gets you in trouble regularly. What lesson are you teaching girls watching the show by basically implying they being stereotypical "waifu"(for lack of better term). Serena's nice for me, but she's shallow and has little depth as a character and that's something I hope is developed. Media representation is very important to me, that being said no one as giving her critique for being girly. If Serena wants to dress up as a Fennekin, take care of her hair and bake, more power to her but it should be from the positive end of the spectrum and not negative end. Hence her being portrayed as inactive, submissive, having to regularly be saved by the males in her group. Serena should be able to cook and love fashion while being portrayed to a character who can stand up for herself and do just as much as the males in her group can.I am not turning this into a social justice argument, wow! You are digging way too deep into one sentence I said. And I totally understand the criticism for her being inactive, but not the argument against her being a girly girl.
Serena feels like Sakura Haruno from Naruto, shallow crush on a boy, defined by stereotypical traits, weak inferior to nearly every male around her. No character should want to be like Sakura, not even Sakura herself. Friendships with other girls are lacking, she has a rival in love(Ino), goal is to win Sasuke's heart, she's portrayed often as the weakest link, she constantly gawks and snaps at the males in her group.
Everyone that commented was bothered by the fact the scene was so over the top and Serena and Fennekin struggled so much over 10 centimeters of dirty water, not her being feminine. Femininity has no place in this argument at all and you're blasting it off as if everyone criticizes Serena for being a girly girl when all the Pokegirls in the past have had girly traits about themselves that no one had a problem with, Iris liking flowers, Misty liking fashion, Dawn taking care of her hair with Bubblebeam.People were criticizing her girliness, whether you care to admit it or not. And I was arguing the point against that logic.
You make it sound like whenever someone criticizes Serena for anything, I blindly start defending her. I do realize that she has flaws (her inactivity, lack of captures, etc.), but my point was that her being a girly girl is not one of them.
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@ Doryuzu: And the comment about glorifying gender stereotypes has nothing to do with Serena being a girly girl, right? Perhaps I misunderstood the first half of your post.
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Jheez I thought I clicked on a thread for Pokemon and not some social science class about femininity o__O. It was a good bonding episode between Serena and Fennekin, and the episode was quite enjoyable overall. Onto the next one!
I thought it was a good first bonding moment for a brand new beginner Pokemon like Fennekin. It got over its fear to save her trainer, that was really nice to see. I also loved Bonnie's video for Clemont at the end; it got a nice laugh out of me at the "I'm mass-recruiting girls" part. Ash being eager to train hopefully means we'll get a competent version of him at the Kalos League. (Please not another Unova rehash)
All in all this episode was one of the better ones in XY so far IMO, hope Fenney eventually makes it to Braixen (Don't care about Delphox, it's ugly)
Uhh ... I don't think people are getting the whole thing about the puddle scene (BTW, I think the "dramatic" music was the Kalos Pokémon League theme, or at least that's what I got) it wasn't only about getting dirty, Team Plot Device were trying to attack Serena, so, at the end, it was a puddle + a Psybeam + Shadow Ball, getting hit by Pokémon attacks hurts, even if they come from
the practice test dummiesInkay & Pumpkaboo, along with that, it was about Serena noticing how her girlyness ended up affecting Fennekin too, she could simply recall Fennekin back to it's pokéball (which I don't know why main characters do more often) but she decided to show Fennekin there's nothing to be afraid.
Sure, Serena's character is not flawless, her crush on Ash is annoying and she's underused, she even couldn't get an episode focused on her without TR and the Limone siblings taking spotlight away from her, but she is not Malibu Stacy
Female Fennekin (Serena's) confirmed. Officially and Definately.
whether its a female or not - we can already see it with the pokemon itself.
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Finally got around to this and it surprised me. It was really good.
Serena's crush was referenced more than once in this episode and i liked it - turns out for the first time in the anime i'm actually a shipper. I like how the writers keep doing it i just hope it actually leads somewhere. Clemont and Bonnie's poke-vision was funny as well as his machine go wrong and Pikachu mess up Fennekins fur. It was good seeing Ash doing some training too (or at least begin too) and last but not least Fennekin and Serena got some great development here bonding and also learning flamethrower.
Entertaining episode that i did not expect.
Back to the episode, I think Eureka's voice on Citron promotion video is hilarious. This is the only episode which Eureka's finding a wife for Citron did not annoy me. I also love Satoshi's dedication to training and not get carried away by the side quests which says if you want to be successful in the gym then you need to work hard in my opinion.
Godawful episode. My god, where do I even begin to explain how upset I was with this episode?
Funny because if I were Ash, I'd have done the same thing he did at first and went off to train rather than add to the train wreck that went on here...Serena dressing up in that skimpy Fennekin outfit was disturbing on so many levels, even for this show, which treats its heroines like eye candy and fan service at points. Bonnie didn't help at all and only made it worse, and poor Clemont was dragged into the nonsense as well.
Team Rocket randomly pops up as plot devices to advance the story with Serena and Fennekin, which is far too rushed to strike any chords with me or make me feel like this episode accomplished anything.
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Starting from today the UK is overtaking the US.
This has just aired and it was dubbed well - the Golden Magikarp Episode airs tomorrow.
As a fan of the show with the Mew mew girls in it, I would have liked for Serena to have stayed in the Fennekin outfit for longer but otherwise it was an alright episode I guess.
God I need to quit coming here. You are all negative fans. This ep was a lot of fun and we get more. I can see Serena going the idol route myself.
There's a tyrant king with a reptile heart
And he's started a wave of crime now
From his ship high above he abducted my love
For the fourteenth or fifteenth time now
I liked this episode, it really showed the bond between Serena and Fennekin. It's not something we've seen often so it nice to see their bond to be so strong and in fact Fennekin's will to protect Serena allowed it to learn flamethrower which was cool.
I special mention to Fennekin using ember when she got dirty. It was funny that Ash was always the one to get hit.
Nice episode, onto the next one (which is tomorrow for UK viewers)!
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Wow, now I see why people have negative reactions to this episode. Fennekin's worries of getting a little muddy and dirty do escalate to insane levels that Serena has to have a flashback montage over a small shallow puddle of water. And even then without problems, Fennekin learns Flamethrower after one or three wins in battles(?).
Though I think everything else was decent.
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Whoa wait what is going on, how is the UK all of sudden catching up???
Decent episode. Quite a bit going on in 22 minutes. Ash training for his battle with Grant, Serena and Co video-taping, Bonnie making a dating video with Clemont, Team Rocket, Jesse's interest in Pokevision, Fennekin getting dirty bit, nice.