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    Ereshkigal, stop and listen to yourself for a minute, okay?

    I am not "defending Obama" for anything. I'm lucid enough to know that this has nothing to do with Obama.

    Trump has made claims that amount to political quackery, and tried using it to justify a healthcare bill that would have left 26 million people with no treatment. You guys talk of costs and entitlements, forgetting that people will die without treatment.

    Children with cancer, senior citizens with Alzheimer's disease, women with breast and ovarian cancer, men with prostate cancer, they all would DIE if this bill had been passed. Does DEATH mean a thing to you all?

    You claim to be pro life, but the bill would have eliminated maternity leave and obstetrician care. THINK about it. Think of how many women would miscarry or self-abort due to being unable to afford an obstetrician and not being able to follow proper dietary and hygiene required to keep an unborn child healthy.

    You claim minimum wage isn't a right and that "burger flippers don't deserve the privilege," but just TRY paying a dentist to repair a chipped tooth when you make $7.50 an hour. You can't LIVE on that and expect to pay for medicine.

    You always give us the numbers and costs, but forget, people are not statistics, people are real. And the suffering and DEATH that would occur if the ACA was taken would be VERY real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordent99 View Post
    Ereshkigal, stop and listen to yourself for a minute, okay?

    I am not "defending Obama" for anything. I'm lucid enough to know that this has nothing to do with Obama.

    Trump has made claims that amount to political quackery, and tried using it to justify a healthcare bill that would have left 26 million people with no treatment. You guys talk of costs and entitlements, forgetting that people will die without treatment.

    Children with cancer, senior citizens with Alzheimer's disease, women with breast and ovarian cancer, men with prostate cancer, they all would DIE if this bill had been passed. Does DEATH mean a thing to you all?

    You claim to be pro life, but the bill would have eliminated maternity leave and obstetrician care. THINK about it. Think of how many women would miscarry or self-abort due to being unable to afford an obstetrician and not being able to follow proper dietary and hygiene required to keep an unborn child healthy.

    You claim minimum wage isn't a right and that "burger flippers don't deserve the privilege," but just TRY paying a dentist to repair a chipped tooth when you make $7.50 an hour. You can't LIVE on that and expect to pay for medicine.

    You always give us the numbers and costs, but forget, people are not statistics, people are real. And the suffering and DEATH that would occur if the ACA was taken would be VERY real.
    You have to understand that some people get very lucky and never have any problems to go through, and they just assume others also don't. Healthcare everywhere else in the world, in first world countries and even some not is completely free and considered a right. Literally the only reason it isn't here is because of corporations and greed of billionaires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ereshkigal View Post
    When has copying the rest of the world ever worked out for Americans?
    Maybe if we actually did it instead of just pretending to.

    Anyway, that aside, do you really want me to go through the "healthcare is a right" speech or what

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Admiral View Post
    Maybe if we actually did it instead of just pretending to.

    Anyway, that aside, do you really want me to go through the "healthcare is a right" speech or what
    It's not even a question, it's in the declaration of independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    It's not even a question, it's in the declaration of independence.
    My point exactly.

    I could also get into the inherently dehumanizing nature of commercialized healthcare even aside from that, but again, only if people want to hear me ramble for... er, for about fifteen minutes... about this kind of stuff. I think most of us are on board with everything I'd have to say anyway but still

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    You have to understand that some people get very lucky and never have any problems to go through, and they just assume others also don't. Healthcare everywhere else in the world, in first world countries and even some not is completely free and considered a right. Literally the only reason it isn't here is because of corporations and greed of billionaires.
    They don't get lucky. They feed off the poor and the underclass like parasites. And they call US "grubbers" and "freeloaders". Stuffing their filthy mouths and getting fat while the folks who "aren't entitled" go hungry, it's... There's a word for it, but I won't say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Admiral View Post
    My point exactly.

    I could also get into the inherently dehumanizing nature of commercialized healthcare even aside from that, but again, only if people want to hear me ramble for... er, for about fifteen minutes... about this kind of stuff. I think most of us are on board with everything I'd have to say anyway but still

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    Well looks like the Trump White House is removing LGBT from the census so there goes a lot of representation for issues.

    Also Tom Perez has asked all DNC staff members to send letters of resignation.
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    And to make matters worse the Republican controlled Congress just passed a bill to repeal Net Neutrality with President Trump just moments away from signing the bill into law with added provisions to prevent others from being able to undo the piece of legislation:

    https://edgylabs.com/2017/03/28/net-...cc-regulation/
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    ^How does that even work? How can you block democracy beyond the Constitution?

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    Anyways I guess the next Democratic President will have to bomb the Senate Yeltsin-style to get sh** done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    How about single payer, like the rest of the world?
    they will be amazing, if only our politician weren't bought out by heath insurance company and big phama. and actually care about the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remix2 View Post
    they will be amazing, if only our politician weren't bought out by heath insurance company and big phama. and actually care about the people.
    that's not what's blocking single-payer.

    we have an american populace who also don't want it.

    quit repeating bernie one-liners dude.
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    Jane Goodall has come out and condemned Trump's environmental stance. (Yeah, I know, I thought she was dead too. She ain't.) Gonna be interesting to see Trump try to discredit her.

    The Catholic Church too. (You know, the guys criticized for staying quiet about Germany during World War II.

    It does seem his apologists are running out of options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostAnime View Post
    that's not what's blocking single-payer.

    we have an american populace who also don't want it.

    quit repeating bernie one-liners dude.
    Here's what I could find in terms of recent statistics. Overall, most polls I could find over the last few years about single-payer have suggested that a slight majority of Americans want some actual government involvement other than insurance when it comes to their healthcare.

    I think the problem is that support for it on the part of Democratic politicians is... mixed. (and current Republican politicians wouldn't exactly go for it in droves, especially if it means higher taxes on the wealthy, but I'd love to be proven wrong on this one)

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