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    Oh cool, an Uber. I actually have limited knowledge of this tier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloneblazer12 View Post
    And holy crap Ubers is a foreign language to most of these people here. Darkrai is one of the scariest mons in the tier people. He's not mediocre by any stretch of the imagination.
    It doesn't quite help that this is only the second Uber to get chosen for this gen's POTW. In a tier where nearly every sweeper can OHKO or 2HKO basically everything in the game, being the single most effective sleep inducer is no joke. Nothing comes close to being nearly as effective as Darkrai at that.

    But because of the lack of Ubers in POTW lately, I think another thing some people aren't considering with counters and checks is the fact that even though you can use any Pokemon in Ubers, the vast majority of Pokemon just aren't good enough to be worth a slot on your team. Even some of our favorite OU threats end up being there because of a niche (Mega Charizard X, Chansey even though it gets way too much attention), or just plain nonexistent (Talonflame, Greninja, Rotom-W)*. It's not as simple as saying something like Vital Spirit Primeape can beat Darkrai, because while it can, it's not a particularly good idea to use Primeape in Ubers. Same extends to Breloom, who still gets very little usage. And while Life Orb Technician Mach Punch does OHKO Darkrai, it can't switch in because Sludge Bomb OHKO's back.

    *Going off of 1760 statistics

    As far as prominent counters go, there's no way to fully counter Dark Void unless you're going for something less conventional. Sleep Clause and Lum Berry sweepers in general are things to keep in mind, though, since an opponent can and will take this to their advantage if possible. Outside of the concern with Dark Void, most of the earlier posts covered it. Xerneas and Arceus-Fairy are two Pokemon Darkrai wants to watch out for, along with [Mega] Blaziken, Scarf Genesect, Mega Mawile and [Mega] Scizor.
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    Darkrai @ Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Bad Dreams
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ~Dark Void
    ~Dark Pulse
    ~Nasty Plot / Taunt
    ~Sludge Bomb / Thunder

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    With an incredibly situational (and borderline useless) move, there's not much of a reason to consider Darkrai on your team but it can still do some serious damage if your opponent is unprepared.

    Darkai with Big Root
    Modest Nature
    252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk
    -Dark Void
    -Dream Eater
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Dark Pulse

    Checks and Counters:

    Vital Spirit Primeape can easily switch into nearly any move Darkrai would carry and OHKO with a Close Combat. Vital Spirit Electivire with the Expert Belt or Life orb can also easily handle Darkai with Dual Chop. Other serious threats include Mega Gardevoir and any Magic Bounce users like Mega Absol or (in the future, Mega Diancie).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DasManiac View Post
    With an incredibly situational (and borderline useless) move, there's not much of a reason to consider Darkrai on your team but it can still do some serious damage if your opponent is unprepared.
    Can we just stop with the unfounded insinuations that Darkrai is in any way bad? Darkrai is seriously one of the biggest threats in the Ubers tier. Sleep is an incredible way of reliably crippling a crucial Pokemon for much of the match, and Darkrai is by far the best user of it. 125 base Speed is simply an incredible Speed tier to be at; and even though 135 Special Attack isn't amazing by Ubers standards, access to Nasty Plot certainly is. Absolutely nothing can set up against Darkrai if Sleep Clause has not been activated and even once it has Darkrai is not fun to switch into. So please, people, stop saying Darkrai is bad, or that it's only niche is Dark Void, or anything like that. It's just wrong.

    Also, if Vital Spirit Primeape legitimately gets mentioned in the checks and counters section of the actual write-up, I'm quitting serebii

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    A couple of notable moves for Darkrai include Dark Void, for obvious reasons, and Dark Pulse for STAB. Nasty Plot is nice to boost up Sp. Attack to huge levels while your opponent switches or tries to wake up from the Dark Void. Nightmare is interesting, but only works when you know your opponent won't switch, or when you have no Sleep Clause to deal with. With Fairies running around, namely Xerneas, you need a counter move, such as Sludge Bomb. It's not like Sludge Bomb will OHKO Xerneas and save Darkrai. It's a bad idea to keep Darkrai in against a Xerneas in the first place, but if it does get put in such a situation, it will be ready. Another move that I saw a couple pages back is Snatch. While literally NO ONE uses snatch at all, it may have some viability on Darkrai. If a Xerneas comes in and goes for Geomancy, predicting a switch, Darkrai can stay in a turn and steal all the boost right from under the deer. Whether a Sludge Bomb will KO after that, I'm not sure. It is still an idea to consider.

    And, like Imposter said, don't ever discount a Darkrai. Sure, it has been nerfed, as nearly any Fairy can OHKO it with a Moonblast. Even if Sleep Clause is around, Darkrai still has sweeping potential. Any Pokemon, Uber or not, with that high of a Special and Speed stat should always be taken into account. It's very frail, but if you are facing a Nasty Plot, STAB boosted Dark Pulse, I'm sure your Pokemon won't be too happy. In Ubers, the go-to status Pokemon is Darkrai. I'd like to see any other Pokemon, other than Smeargle, that has the ability to break Sleep Clause in one single move (in a double battle). It is very frail, but can definately keep its title in Ubers. Let's face it, we don't want him running rampent in OU, do we?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DasManiac View Post
    With an incredibly situational (and borderline useless) move, there's not much of a reason to consider Darkrai on your team but it can still do some serious damage if your opponent is unprepared.

    Darkai with Big Root
    Modest Nature
    252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk
    -Dark Void
    -Dream Eater
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Dark Pulse
    Quote Originally Posted by DasManiac View Post
    incredibly situational
    > modest
    > big root
    > dream eater.


    Quote Originally Posted by DasManiac View Post
    Checks and Counters:

    Vital Spirit Primeape can easily switch into nearly any move Darkrai would carry and OHKO with a Close Combat.
    żżżPrimeape in Ubers???


    Quote Originally Posted by DasManiac View Post
    Vital Spirit Electivire with the Expert Belt or Life orb can also easily handle Darkai with Dual Chop.
    żżżElectrivire in Ubers??? what tier are you thinking of?


    Quote Originally Posted by DasManiac View Post
    Other serious threats include Mega Gardevoir and any Magic Bounce users like Mega Absol or (in the future, Mega Diancie).
    Threats as in any fairy type at all?
    You make a point with Magic Bounce, but Dark Pulse always 2HKOs Espeon if Espeon is running max Special Defense investment. Since most Espeons don't, it's normally a OHKO. Same goes for Xatu.
    Sludge Bomb 2HKOs Mega Absol, so all you have to do is predict it's switch and outspeed it the next turn before it uses Superpower or Play Rough. Otherwise, there are plenty of Pokemon that can handle Mega-Absol's hits in Uber. The real question is why is Mega-Absol taking up the position of a Mega in Ubers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon199 View Post
    Another move that I saw a couple pages back is Snatch. While literally NO ONE uses snatch at all, it may have some viability on Darkrai. If a Xerneas comes in and goes for Geomancy, predicting a switch, Darkrai can stay in a turn and steal all the boost right from under the deer.
    ...Didn't that get proven not to work a couple pages back, as well?
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