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    Default Community POTW #041

    Time for the next Pokémon of the Week, and this week we got a Kalos Pokémon!



    It's Dragalge, the rather curious Poison/Dragon-type Pokémon.

    This Pokémon is a rather unique one, and can be used in many ways. Don't be afraid to make sets with its HA, despite the fact it's not currently available.

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    Dragalge @ Choice Specs
    Adaptability
    Modest / Quiet nature
    252 Hp / 252 SAtk / 4 Def
    -Draco Meteor
    -Sludge Wave
    -Hydro Pump
    -Hidden Power [Fire]

    With its HA it has very powerful Meteors. SWave is 2nd STAB for Fairies and the rest coverage.
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    Dragalge @ Black Sludge
    Ability: Poison Point
    EVs: 252 SAtk, 252 HP, 4 Def
    Nature: Modest
    Dragon Pulse
    Hydro Pump
    Shadow Ball
    Focus Blast
    Venoshock/Venom Drench is also a pretty good move if the target gets poisoned by Poison Point.
    Moves are for coverage. Black Sludge heals you every turn, which is good for a bulky Pokemon like Dragalge.
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    A ok pokemon. Dragalage has a decent defense aspect and interesting typing.

    +great sp def
    +ok defense
    +ok sp att
    +ok typing, only 3 weaknesses
    +ok movepool

    -poor speed
    -HP not to brag about
    -unavailable HA


    Fairy who?

    -toxic spikes
    -venom drench
    -sludge wave/sludge bomb
    -dragon pulse/draco meteor
    252 hp/ 252 sp def/ 4 sp att
    @black sludge
    nature: calm/modest
    ability: poison point

    This is a special wall set. I think it will do good. Set toxic spikes and drench a couple of times and then attack. If you don't mind lowering your sp att make it learn draco meteor, but i like dragon pulse more as it just attacks. For doubles sludge wave,for singles sludge bomb. As this is more of a defensive set, poison touch makes no sense.

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    Modest Adaptability Dragalge hits with about 19% more force than Timid Latios when using STAB moves (and 89% as strong when using non-STAB moves). Latios is far better in almost every other way (speed, movepool, typing) but it's hard to ignore Dragalge's sheer power.

    Assuming it ever gets released of course.

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    Ah Dragalge, one of the coolest Pokemon to come out of X and Y. It has a unique typing and a hidden ability many Pokemon are just dying for. Unfortunately that hidden ability is not available currently. Adaptability Dragalge could completely change the metagame if Game Freak ever decides to release it

    This is your standard Dragalge set:

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    Dragalge with Black Sludge
    252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Def
    Modest Nature
    Poison Point
    -Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
    -Hydro Pump/Scald
    -Sludge Bomb/Sludge Wave
    -Focus Blast

    Draco Meteor is a great move sometimes. While it is significantly more powerful than Dragon Pulse, the shaky accuracy and sp. atk drop doesn't really help Dragalge much. Dragon Pulse if the preferred move. Hydro Pump and Scald on the other hand are both great moves. Which one you really want, is up to personal preference. Sludge Bomb and Sludge Wave aren't really too different. With only a minor difference in power, the biggest difference is the Poison chance. Sludge Bomb has 30% chance and lower power but Sludge Wave has a 10% chance and slightly higher power. Focus Blast is for hitting Steel types not named Mega Mawile. Mostly though you'll want it to hit Ferrothorn since it is immune to Poison and resists Dragon/Water type moves. 252+ SpA Dragalge Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 208-246 (59 - 69.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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    Dragalge with Choice Specs
    Adaptability
    252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Def
    -Sludge Wave
    -Draco Meteor
    -Focus Blast
    -Hydro Pump

    With Adaptability, an all out offensive set is your best bet.

    Teammate Options

    Due to Dragalge's lower defense and HP, it greatly appreciates dual screens and will-o-wisp support. Both enhance its longevity on the battlefield greatly.

    Checks and Counters
    Unless you run Focus Blast, Steel types are going to prove quite difficult to deal with. Mega Mawile especially is quite the threat. It's immune to both of Dragalge's STABs and neutral to all of its attacks. Luckily Mega Mawile's defenses aren't the best and if you're running scald, the chance to burn can make Mega Mawile go from a threat to just a minor irritant.
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    Dragalge is awesome. Heck, the animal (whose name escapes me beyond being a sea horse) that it is based on is awesome. Dragalge is a unique pokemon and does not put its Dragon typing to shame.

    Dragalge is a spongey tank. 123 SDEF enables it to slurp up more special attacks than a camel that can slurp up water. Complementing this is its typing that gives it 7 resists in return for 3 weaknesses. Combine this with a decent 90 DEF and Dragalge is looking fairly bulky. Its SATK is decent too meaning it can power past some more troublesome foes in a pinch. Unfortunately this is where the good ends. 65 HP is poor, especially for a pokemon primed for defense. Base 44 SPD is slug slow, meaning Dragalge is going to have to suck up an attack in order to do anything. In the end Dragalge is awesome, but its flaws detract heavily from its strengths.

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    Dragalge (Adaptability/Poison Point)
    Item: Leftovers/Black Sludge
    -Toxic/Toxic Spikes
    -Haze/Venom Drench
    -Sludge wave
    -Scald/Thunderbolt/Dragon Pulse
    Nature: Bold (+DEF, -ATK)
    EVs: 252 HP/136 DEF/120 SDEF

    Toxic and Toxic Spikes are the workhorse of this set, compromising the opposing team’s bulk and providing Dragalge an answer against opposing walls. Haze and Venom Drench are Dragalge’s answer to setup sweepers, with Haze being, well Haze, and Venom Drench basically being an anti-Shell Smash (doesn’t touch defenses); guaranteed to ruin any poisoned sweeper’s day. Adaptability Sludge wave hits hard even without investment. Your final move is up to preference: Scald provides additional coverage and can be a boon where Toxic can’t work. Thunderbolt can take things like Skarmory and Tentacruel for a loop, but not much else. Adaptability Dragon Pulse is a powerful neutral attack, but Sludge wave is generally superior and both are blocked by steel types.

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    Dragalge (Adaptability)
    Item: Choice Specs/Life Orb
    -Draco Meteor
    -Sludgewave
    -Hydro Pump/Scald
    -Focus Blast/Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball/Dragon Pulse
    Nature: Modest (+SATK, -ATK)
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SATK/4 SDEF

    Defensive Adaptability Dragalge has enough oomph to make most Sweepers think twice about tangoing with it. Offensive Dragalge is a Grim Reaper, punching holes in stuff that doesn’t see it coming:

    252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 294-346 (41.1 - 48.4%)

    252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sylveon: 316-376 (80.2 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 360-424 (93.7 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

    252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Venusaur: 266-314 (73 - 86.2%)

    252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 110-130 (31.2 - 36.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery


    Adaptability Specs Draco Meteor wrecks stuff. Simple as that. Even Blissey, the queen of Sponging can lose nearly half of its Health from a Draco Meteor. Fairies are given no reprive unless they are Mega-Mawile; Sludge Wave wrecks them. And Steels, who resist this unholy combo of Dragon and Poison? Many get blasted to pieces by Dragalge’s coverage moves (Focus Blast 2HKO’s Ferrothorn). Frankly this set’s biggest weaknesses are that the Draco Meteor is one shot and switch deal, that Dragalge is outsped by many of its targets and Adaptability is not released.


    Other Options

    Acid Armor
    -Shores up the weaker of Dragalge’s 2 defenses

    Venoshock
    -For milking the poison status for all its worth

    Dragon Tail
    -Adaptability Phasing, but runs off of Dragalge’s poor ATK

    Poison Point
    -Since Adaptability is unreleased (T.T) Poison Point is the ability of choice for now, being more "reliable" than Poison Touch.

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    Steel types are generally the safest to go, as they are immune to Poison and resist Dragon, but even they can fall prey to Dragalge's coverage moves. Mega-mawile gets special mention for being immune to both STABs and having enough bulk and power to scare Dragalge off (Specs Hydro Pump only 2HKOs). Dragalge's weaknesses in Ice and Ground are very common and with everything and their family running Earthquake, that is a serious problem for any enterprising tank. Taunt can mess with the defensive sets, but trying that on an offensive set is asking for trouble. Finally, as a tank, Dragalge's HP and lack of reliable recovery doom it to fall under repeated attacks.
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    Dragalge. I love this thing. It's such a cool looking Pokémon and has a unique Dual Type.

    Stats:
    -HP - Slightly-Below Average - Base 65 is a rough start, but not too bad.
    -Attack - Slightly-Below Average - Base 75 isn't bad, but the lack of Physical Move variety is a "nope" factor, despite Poison Touch Ability.
    -Defense - Good - Base 90 helps the low-ish HP, but be extremely aware of Earthquake users.
    -Sp.Atk - Good-bordering-Great - Base 97 is pretty nice, but Adaptability isn't released to make it amazing yet.
    -Sp.Def - Incredible - Base 123 is huge for a Dragon or Poison Type.
    -Speed - Good (Trick Room) - Base 44 is usable for Trick Room, but you're also easy to out-slow.

    Abilities:
    -Poison Touch - A fun gimmick on a Physical Set, but "meh" otherwise.
    -Poison Point - Good for facing Contact Moves from non-Poison, non-Steel Types, but "meh" again.
    -Adaptability (Hidden, Unavailable) - Why do you hate Dragalge, Gamefreak? It could be monstrous with a 2x STAB multiplier instead of 1.5x.

    Overall, Dragalge has some good points, but some are yet to see the light of day. Poison Type + Dragon Type has five or six good Resistances among the seven it has, but also two common and one semi-common Weaknesses among the four it has. I love it, but it needs some additional work and care.
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    Adaptability would be really cool on this thing. Sadly it isn't released and might never be.

    Anyway, Dragalge is a great Pokemon in NU. Incidentally, that and RU are the only places where it's remotely viable. It has an excellent Dragon/Poison typing in a tier where viable Dragon types are quite rare, and its great Special Defense lets it sponge hits from beasts like Pyroar and Sceptile. It even gets Haze, allowing it to be one of the best counters to chicken pass in the tier. It can even run a scary Specs set that can break through much of the tier with its powerful Sludge Bombs and Draco Meteors.

    Specially Defensive
    Dragalge @ Black Sludge
    Ability: Poison Point
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SDef / 8 Def
    Sassy Nature
    - Dragon Tail
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Scald
    - Toxic Spikes / Haze

    Dragon Tail and great Special Defense lets Dragalge function as an excellent special sponge who can force already-frail sweepers to take continuous hazards damage which quickly wears them down. Sludge Bomb is the main STAB attack, hitting Grass-types, Granbull, and Slurpuff for excellent damage. Scald can get burns on physical attackers that want to hit you on your weaker Defense. Toxic Spikes and Dragon Tail are a powerful combination that can quickly spread volatile status around the foe's team. Meanwhile, Haze stops Combusken pass but Combusken will likely be banned soon anyways.

    Choice Specs
    Dragalge @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Poison Point
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SAtk / 8 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Dragon Pulse / Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Hydro Pump / Scald / Hidden Power [Fire]

    In a tier full of terrifying special wallbreakers, Dragalge sets itself apart with its unique STAB combination and terrifying Draco Meteor. Draco Meteor hits much of the tier for massive damage, and Sludge Bomb covers the Fairies that are immune to it. Dragon Pulse serves as a reliable Dragon STAB if you don't want Draco Meteor's recoil at that time. Hydro Pump and Scald are both viable options in the last slot. It's the general "power vs. accuracy" argument. Hidden Power Fire works in either slot if you want to hit Ferroseed.
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    Dragalge@Life Orb/Black Sludge
    Modest nature
    Adaptability
    252 Sp. Atk/252 HP/4 Sp. Def
    ~Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
    ~Sludge Wave
    ~Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball/Scald
    ~Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball/Scald

    Dragalge is hands-down one of the coolest Pokémon Generation VI has given us. Poison/Dragon is a type combination I've always wanted to see, and man, does this deliver! Dragon Pulse and Sludge Wave are the STAB moves of choice, though the former could be replaced by Draco Meteor because holy crap Adaptability Draco Meteor. The other moves are filler/coverage. Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Scald, take your pick.

    Item is for boosting Dragalge's already nice Special Attack or for restoring its HP, whichever you think is necessary. Ability powers up its STAB moves, though sadly it's not legal yet.


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    Dragalge@Black Sludge
    Sassy nature
    Poison Point/Adaptabilty
    252 HP/124 Def/134 Sp. Def
    ~Sludge Wave
    ~Dragon Tail
    ~Scald
    ~Toxic Spikes

    The idea here is to get down two layers of Toxic Spikes and badly poison as much of the opposing team as possible. Obviously, you'll want to deal with the opponent's Poison-types before doing much with this, though. Toxic Spikes should be obvious, and Dragon Tail helps it get the job done. Sludge Wave is for outright dealing damage, whenever that should prove necessary, and Scald is for inflicting burns on those pesky physical attackers, usually the ones that can't fall victim to Toxic Spikes.

    Item is for restoring Dragalge's HP. Ability is slightly less important here- Adaptability does help Sludge Wave go that extra mile, but Poison Point works, too. Basically, the main thing is that you avoid Poison Touch- regular poison is less desirable than Toxic poison, and you'll probably be using Dragon Tail a lot, so yeah.


    Other options:
    *Dragalge can use Acid Armor to deal with its relatively iffy Defense, since physical attacks are generally accepted as the way to take them out, but it already has Scald to not only deal with just that, but also to help out the whole team in that regard.
    *Venoshock is a decent option on the Toxic Spikes set, considering the whole point of that is to poison as many Pokémon as possible, but it's a bit more situational than Sludge Wave.
    *Focus Blast gets unresisted coverage with Shadow Ball, but its accuracy is very off-putting, earning it the nickname of "Focus Miss".

    Abilities:
    *Poison Point: When the opponent makes physical contact with Dragalge, there is a 30% chance of it getting poisoned. Really kind of a "meh" Ability.
    *Poison Touch: Whenever Dragalge uses a contact move on the opponent, there is a 20% chance of the target getting poisoned. Basically kind of a reverse Poison Point. Which does not reverse the "meh"ness, unfortunately. Now, if it were Toxic poison we were talking here...
    *Adaptability: Dragalge's Hidden Ability. When Dragalge uses a move it gets STAB on, the move's power is increased by x2 instead of x1.5. Easily the most desirable Ability in Dragalge's arsenal, so of course, TrollFreak, in their infinite (lack of) wisdom, made it the only one Dragalge can't actually get right now. Currently not legal on Dragalge, but one can only hope that that will change at some point in the near future.

    Partners:
    Wish passing is a decent idea, Dragalge lacking any HP restoring moves of its own. You would also do well to have a good physical wall to take those attacks that Dragalge is so... not good at taking.

    Counters:
    Most, if not all, physical attackers can do a number on Dragalge, assuming they don't get burned upon switching into a Scald. Guts Pokémon like Heracross can switch in with impunity and will in fact benefit from being burned or poisoned, and that's when Dragalge is gonna want to haul tail fin and get the hell out of there.

    Opinion:
    Dragalge is awesome. Just awesome. The most beautiful Pokémon ever to exist, and one of the coolest, too. Definitely one of my top ten favorites, and my all-time favorite Dragon-type. It's a shame that TrollFreak doesn't seem to agree, though, considering how much they're trying to make Dragalge difficult to use- I mean, almost everything else from Kalos has access to their Hidden Ability, and that includes the ultra-useless Insomnia Gourgeist (It's already immune to the most common sleep-inducing moves, Sleep Powder and Spore, just by virtue of being a Grass-type!), the decidedly "meh" Magician Klefki (like anyone would use anything but Prankster on that!), and of course, the facepalm-inducing Moxie Pyroar (of course, all of Pyroar's Abilities are borderline, if not completely, useless on it), so who the hell decided that Dragalge shouldn't have access to its one actually good Ability? Seriously, what the hell? But, OK, getting back on topic here, I love Dragalge.

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    Ha Dragagalge. The only dragon-type pokemon capable of going toe-to-toe with fairy-type pokemon. This pokemon main uses are to spread poison or destroy any set up done by the opposing team.

    Pros:
    -Great special attck, good defenses.
    -Great typing leaving it with only 4 2x weakness, 0 4x weakness and 7 resistance
    -Good defensive movepool

    Cons:
    -Patethic speed, low HP and attack
    -Shallow offensive movepool
    -Weak to common offensive such as earthquake and outrage/dragon claw

    You're toxic I'm slipping under
    -Toxic/Toxic Spike
    -Venoshock
    -DragonTail
    -Acid-Armor/Venom Drench/protect
    Item Attached: Black Sludge
    Ability: Poison point
    EV and Nature:
    EV: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD
    Bold or Calm nature

    Dragalge bulk is its main asset here. Either go bold if you want more def or calm if you want more special defense. Black Sludge is there to restore Hp. Now, the main point (see what i did there?) of this set is to spread poison thanks to dragon Tail and finishing off ennemies with venoshock. Either Toxic spike to contaminate pokemon switching in without wasting a turn or Toxic to be sure to hit flying type pokemon and levitate users.
    The last slot is up to your preference: Acid armor boost its already good defense into the stratosphere after 2 uses, but Venom Drench destroy ur oppenent ability to sweep and protect give you a free turn of recovery thanks to black sludge.


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    -Sludge wave/ Sludge bomb
    -Dragon Pulse/ Draco Meteor
    -Thunderbolt/Hp Fire
    -Haze
    Item attached: Life orb
    Ability: Adaptability
    EV and nature:
    EV: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Speed
    Modest Nature.

    This set objective is to maximise the damage output thanks to the life orb and adaptability. Coming off of a respectable 97 special attack, both stabs hit extremely hard. Thunderbolt is for coverage against Skarmory, while HP fire is to fight off grass and steel type.

    Haze is there to make destroy any ennemy set up. Here are so calc to show how hard this guy can hit:

    252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Dragon Claw vs. +2 252 HP / 0 Def Dragalge: 210-248 (62.8 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ SpA Life Orb Adaptability Dragalge Dragon Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 499-588 (167.4 - 197.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    Dragalge can tank a hit from Megazard X and KO back with dragon Pulse

    252+ SpA Life Orb Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Clefable: 499-593 (126.6 - 150.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ SpA Life Orb Dragalge Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Skarmory: 309-364 (92.5 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

    252+ SpA Life Orb Dragalge Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Aegislash-Blade: 265-315 (81.7 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    252+ SpA Life Orb Dragalge Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 205-244 (75.3 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Quite a feat indeed. Also note that Haze does NOT activate defiant, making him a great counter to bisharp.


    Partners:
    Any pokemon capable of taking on ice or ground type pokemon will be a a great partner. Special wall breaker are also a must.


    Counters:
    Anything that can resist special attacks got the edge of Dragalge. Also, the poison point set may have a hard time against bulky steel types that are immune to poison.

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    Hello everyone, and welcome to my battle strategy for Dragalge. This set is a mix between attack and defense, so here we go!

    Dragalge
    Ability: Poison Point
    Nature: Modest (+ special attack, - attack)
    Moves: Toxic, Venoshock, Dragon Pulse, and Scald
    EV's: 252 special attack, 252 hp, 4 defense
    Item: Black Sludge

    Ok, this was fun to make. Poison Point is the ability since it's better than Poison Touch, and Adaptability isn't available right now (Why, Game Freak, WHY?). Nature is Modest so that it hits hard with all it's attacks. For moves, Toxic and Venoshock combo to cripple an non Steel/Poison type pokemon. Dragon Pulse for strong Dragon stab, and Scald to cover Steel and Ground types, as well as being able to burn them and Poison types, since you can't Toxic them. For EV spreed, max out special attack and hp to tank a blow and hit hard back, with the last 4 going to defense since it's lower than it's special defense. Black Sludge is the item since it will help Dragalge recover hp better than Leftovers, and makes the opponite question switching item's with Dragalge. Anyway, hope you enjoy it, and any advice is recomended!

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    Dragalge @ Assault Vest
    Abillity: Poison Point.
    Nature: Modest / Quiet nature
    Ev's: 252 Hp / 252 SAtk / Sp.Def
    IV's: 0 In speed if Quiet.
    - Draco Meteor
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Scald
    - Dragon Tail / Hidden power Fire

    This set resembles the idea of Goodra, the only diffrence between them is Goodra has better stats and movepool and it's in UU, While Dragalge is NU but has the unique secondary typing
    (Maybe It's RU not sure, dindt checked recently) In NU it's typing is great being one of the few potential dragon types availlable with added Poison type so it can also function as a Toxic absorber + Wallbreaker with this set in NU, The current metagame of NU has quite some fighting, grass, bugs and poison types so its typing is pretty good defensive wise.
    Dragalge can be a great partner for Granbull or Malamar too, so all with all its a pretty neat pokemon so dont take it to lightly whenever you stand before one.

    Oh and designwise this pokemon is probably one of the best of XY if not the best, but we all know thats opinion based.
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    Dragalge@Black Sludge/Life Orb
    Adaptability
    Modest Nature
    252 HP/252 Sp.Atk/4 Sp.Def
    -Sludge Wave/Venoshock
    -Draco Meteor
    -Focus Blast/HP Fire/Scald/Hydro Pump
    -Haze

    Even if you're not a fan of Dragalge, you have to be anticipating its Hidden Ability to be released soon, because it's phenomenal power is too good to pass up, and everyone wants to see it become a reality.

    Now, Adaptability Dragalge is a big deal for one reason only; it's a Dragon type that gets it. This kind of thing would've made people gone nuts in Gen V. The reason people still are is because of STAB Poison to melt away the Fairy types that are immune to Dragon STAB. Everyone has already made an Adaptabilty set, but they've failed to utilize one of Dragalge's most important move, Haze. See, after a Draco Meteor or two, Dragalge is pretty exhausted. Then the opponent sends in something like Aegislash or Salamence. They know your Dragalge is too weak to do any significant damage to them and figure you'll switch out, so they take the turn to set up a Swords Dance or a Dragon Dance. But then, on the same turn, you use Haze, removing not only their boosts, but your Sp.Atk drops from Draco Meteor.

    See, a pokemon that just used Draco Meteor with no mixed options is set up fodder. Using Haze ensures that the opponent's boosts go to waste (especially if they used Belly Drum huehue) while also clearing your own drops, leaving the opponent face to face with a fully powered Dragalge.

    In addition to that, your Poison STAB comes in the flavor of Sludge Wave and Venoshock. Sludge Wave is a no brainer, but Venoshock deserves special mention for the fact that, if the opponent is poisoned, Venoshock outdamages Sludge Wave, topping at an absurd 260 Base Power attack, STAB included. This Dragalge set has no way of poisoning the opponent, though, but it's a very valid option on a Poison Monotype team. The third slot is one of heavy debate. Focus Blast is your most powerful option to hit Steels except Aegislash. You can use HP Fire to hit it (or Shadow Ball i didn't see that derp), but then you can't touch Heatran. Scald is a Water type option that can still hit Steel types except for Empoleon (you're always walled by a Steel. Empoleon you can zap with Thunderbolt, though) that can spread burns, or Hydro Pump for some raw power.


    For all of Dragalge's Adaptability, he can run a damn effective defensive set too.

    Dragalge@Black Sludge
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    Calm Nature
    252 HP/252 Sp.Def/4 Sp.Atk
    -Scald
    -Toxic
    -Venom Drench
    -Protect/Thunder/Dragon Pulse

    Dragalge is a pretty damn effective status inducer. What hurts it is a lack of a trapping move (not even Whirlpool). Still, it's walling capabilities allow it to try out a new toy in X and Y, Venom Drench. First, Scald and Toxic allow it to choose which status it wants to give its opponents, which is why Toxic Spikes isn't an option here. Scald should be used against opponents who can muscle past Dragalge without a burn to hinder them, while Toxic can end stalemates between Dragalge and its opponent, if they aren't Poison or Steel types. If it's an opponent who can boost enough to break Dragalge, while building up Defenses, Venom Drench is doubly effective in stopping their boost game. Against something like Volcarona, who would have no problem Quiver Dancing until Dragalge can touch it, Dragalge can poison it with Toxic, then start hitting it with Venom Drench to undo its boost. Venom Drench's speed drop means Dragalge will eventually outspeed its target to hit it with another Venom Drench, all the while the poison takes its toll. In the last slot are three options. Protect is to stall out the Toxic damage and Black Sludge recovery, Thunder is an inaccurate attack but does Paralyze opponents, rounding up Dragalge's status coverage, and can hit Steel and Poison types, and Dragon Pulse is another STAB to whack opponents with if Dragalge needs a solid hit.

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    Dragalge @ Black Sludge
    Nature: Calm / Sassy
    Ability: Poison Touch
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    ~Toxic Spikes
    ~Dragon Tail / Protect
    ~Sludge Bomb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nulava View Post
    Dragalge @ Black Sludge
    Nature: Calm / Sassy
    Ability: Poison Touch
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    ~Toxic Spikes
    ~Dragon Tail / Protect
    ~Sludge Bomb
    ~Scald
    none of your moves,beside dragon tail, make physical contact so poison touch is useless

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    How is Poison Touch useless when one of the most important moves on the set can take advantage of it? The point is to phaze opponents around with Dragon Tail and poison them with Toxic Spikes while using Poison Touch to (hopefully) poison those Pokemon that are immune to the hazards. Besides, it's not like Poison Point is a lot better with a SpD spread because Dragalge isn't taking physical hits all that well anyway without significant Def investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak94 View Post
    How is Poison Touch useless when one of the most important moves on the set can take advantage of it? The point is to phaze opponents around with Dragon Tail and poison them with Toxic Spikes while using Poison Touch to (hopefully) poison those Pokemon that are immune to the hazards. Besides, it's not like Poison Point is a lot better with a SpD spread because Dragalge isn't taking physical hits all that well anyway without significant Def investment.
    when you put that way it makes sense but again i think poison point is better or the same. you'll get hit by most pokemon because dragalage is not that fast.

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    Dragalge @ Black Sludge
    Ability: Poison Touch / Poison Point
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def
    Sassy Nature
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Sludge Bomb / Poison Tail
    - Dragon Tail
    - Scald / Venoshock

    So the point here is to throw around as much status as possible. Very hard to do damage on its own, but try using a Gengar with Venoshock and Hex along with it.

    Adaptability should be mentioned just in case.

    Dragalge @ Choice Specs / Life Orb
    Ability: Adaptability
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Def
    Modest / Quiet Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Sludge Bomb / Venoshock
    - Focus Blast
    - Scald

    Adaptability is a great offensive ability, and Dragalge might abuse it nicely in the future. Especially in Trick Room and Toxic Spikes. Venoshock is a gimmick, but can become very powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak94 View Post
    How is Poison Touch useless when one of the most important moves on the set can take advantage of it? The point is to phaze opponents around with Dragon Tail and poison them with Toxic Spikes while using Poison Touch to (hopefully) poison those Pokemon that are immune to the hazards. Besides, it's not like Poison Point is a lot better with a SpD spread because Dragalge isn't taking physical hits all that well anyway without significant Def investment.
    I'd say it would mostly be because you want to spread as much Toxic Poison with Toxic Spikes as possible to ensure they cannot shrug off the damage forever with something like Giga Drain or Recover. I like the concept of Poison Touch, but I wish Gamefreak would implement a way to stack a second Poison to get Toxic Poison...
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    Never underestimate what 1/8 damage every turn can do. It's pretty much a switch into neutral Stealth Rock every turn and can be really important when wearing down opponents, even those with recovery. Obviously you'll want to be careful around something that you really want to poison with Toxic (or 2 layers of Toxic Spikes), but generally the things you'll be fishing for poison against are those that are immune to Toxic Spikes in the first place, so it usually turns out alright.

    I'm not saying Poison Point is bad or anything because you can still occasionally tank a Close Combat or something and poison an opponent that way, but Dragon Tail + Poison Touch is actually a pretty cool combo on defensive Dragalge, one that I find to be far from useless. Poison Point is a good bit better on Def Dragalge than SpD, though, because it can actually tank physical hits more easily and poison more things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak94 View Post
    Never underestimate what 1/8 damage every turn can do. It's pretty much a switch into neutral Stealth Rock every turn and can be really important when wearing down opponents, even those with recovery. Obviously you'll want to be careful around something that you really want to poison with Toxic (or 2 layers of Toxic Spikes), but generally the things you'll be fishing for poison against are those that are immune to Toxic Spikes in the first place, so it usually turns out alright.

    I'm not saying Poison Point is bad or anything because you can still occasionally tank a Close Combat or something and poison an opponent that way, but Dragon Tail + Poison Touch is actually a pretty cool combo on defensive Dragalge, one that I find to be far from useless. Poison Point is a good bit better on Def Dragalge than SpD, though, because it can actually tank physical hits more easily and poison more things.
    It's a real shame Dragalge did not get Poison Jab, otherwise spreading status will be much easier...
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    I don't think anyone's done a physical set yet, unsurprisingly. But it could work. As a new member with no reputation to kill, I shall take a mockery for the team.
    Dragalge
    Choice Band/Life Orb
    Poison Touch
    -Play Rough
    -Dragon Tail/Haze
    -Poison Tail
    -Waterfall
    252HP, 252 ATK, 4 Sp.Def
    Adamant Nature

    Play Rough and Waterfall give you wonderful coverage, correct me if I'm wrong here but I cannot think of any single Type that resists it(thinking of a Pokemon that resists that coverage will take a little longer). Poison Tail is the interesting one: A STAB move with a higher chance of landing a crit and a frankly ridiculous chance of inflicting Poison with Poison Touch and the natural chance is not to be taken lightly, especially(at risk of being torn off a strip for bringing Smogon up) in NU where Grass-Types thrive in great number. Dragon Tail is by far Dragalge's best(err, only) physical Dragon STAB, with phasing properties and a chance of inflicting Poison with Poison Touch. You could use Haze if you are scared of being brushed away by a random Meganium Outrage, but obviously it's not to be used with Choice Band.
    Max Attack output is absolutely mandatory because base 75 is bad. The highest Attack possible at Level 100 is 273(139 at Level 50) which isn't fantastic, but Life Orb or Band boosts could make it passable.
    Yeah, there are better Pokemon for this role, but it was Dragalge's almost unique coverage that caught my eye. You can't deny that that offensive coverage is brilliant on paper. And that Typing is brilliant. Not to mention that Special Defence stat. And that Hidden Ability, when we eventually get it, might just make Dragalge one of the better Dragon Types. You never know...

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    LC Skrelp set

    item evolite
    ability adaptability
    Sludge wave/ sludge bomb
    Thunderbolt
    Scald
    Dragon pulse/toxic spikes
    Skrelp plays very much like it's evolved form with similar moves and waiting on that hidden ability just as much

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