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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel31 View Post
    I'll make this short:

    Age doesn't matter much, Peyton Manning was horrible last season and he still managed to win a SB and also had some horrific injuries in his career.

    Go back and look at what Romo did 2 yrs ago when he was fully healthy and had a great supporting cast. Only Aaron Rodgers had a higher QBR at 82.0, while Romo's QBR was 81.8. However, if you look at Total QBR, Romo was #1. They have a solid running game again, Dez will back soon too, so he literally has the same supporting cast he had back in '14.

    I understand the injury part and everything else, trust me, but when you have a really good QB returning, you can't just bench him. This isn't like when Brady took Bledsoe's job years ago. Romo is a lot better than Bledsoe. Dak is the future w/out a doubt, but Romo gives them a better chance overall to win a SB right now, when he's healthy.

    Also, we've only seen 5 games for Dak and he really hasn't played anyone good yet. This week vs the Packers, will be his first real test imo. Let's see what he does.
    You're using Peyton Manning as an example? You mean the guy who basically only has another ring because his team's defense was unparallelled? You even said it in your post that he sucked last season. He didn't need to be good. If Tony comes back, he has to play well. Big difference.

    And you think Romo is the better option to lead his team to the Super Bowl, how? Is it his shining playoff record or...?

    I'm not saying Dak is or will be a Super Bowl winning QB. What I am saying is that Romo has proven he is not and Dak is winning games. This is not even close to a no-brainer.

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    Tony Romo is an average quarterback who did okay under pressure, but was never part of a good enough team to win it all. Him and Jay Cutler are in this weird area where they're the big focus on mediocre/bad teams, and instead of building around them they just sort of take all the blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPokeBroKing View Post
    You're using Peyton Manning as an example? You mean the guy who basically only has another ring because his team's defense was unparallelled? You even said it in your post that he sucked last season. He didn't need to be good. If Tony comes back, he has to play well. Big difference.

    And you think Romo is the better option to lead his team to the Super Bowl, how? Is it his shining playoff record or...?

    I'm not saying Dak is or will be a Super Bowl winning QB. What I am saying is that Romo has proven he is not and Dak is winning games. This is not even close to a no-brainer.
    I used Peyton as an example because it sounded like you were implying that because he's older and has had some injuries, that he shouldn't be starting, which doesn't make much sense to me.

    I'll be the first to admit that Romo's post-season record isn't much at and he's made crucial mistakes in the past, but he's had success in late games (has a lot of 4th quarter comebacks on his resume). He's never had a good DEF either and if Dak stays the starting QB, he'll find that out himself soon enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by bobjr View Post
    Tony Romo is an average quarterback who did okay under pressure, but was never part of a good enough team to win it all. Him and Jay Cutler are in this weird area where they're the big focus on mediocre/bad teams, and instead of building around them they just sort of take all the blame.
    I personally think Romo was/is above average, but that's all a matter of opinion obviously. I agree with everything else though. I'll never forget the game vs Peyton Manning and Broncos (3 yrs ago maybe) where Romo threw for over 500 yds, 5 TDs, and they lost like 51-48. He threw a pick at the end and he shouldered all the blame for losing.

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    Romo absolutely deserves the opportunity to run the Dallas offense. If he can't produce the same efficacy in 3 quarters as Prescott, then you put Dak in the 4th.

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    I say why go away from what's working? If the Cowboys are smart they will keep starting Dak...

    Jerry Jones is so out of touch, so it's no surprise that he's sticking with Romo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldread View Post
    Romo absolutely deserves the opportunity to run the Dallas offense. If he can't produce the same efficacy in 3 quarters as Prescott, then you put Dak in the 4th.
    Would you say the same if the situation didn't involve a rookie? Really, I mean, what if Aaron Rodgers was brought in to replace Romo and won 4 of his first 5 games. Would you still say Romo absolutely deserves the starting spot?

    While I understand Prescott has not had the career Aaron Rodgers has, I'm applying this scenario more to realize what Romo actually deserves. If you can't say Romo should start over anyone, then he doesn't "deserve" anything. You're suggesting he's earned something that he hasn't.

    Also, I'm not saying 100% that Dak is the answer, but Dak is at least in the process of proving something. Romo hasn't improved since 2012. In fact, he's declined. But like I said, if you're not willing to give Romo "his team" over anybody like you would with someone like Brady's Patriots or something of that nature, I'm not sure he does deserve anything.

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    Romo is 37 now, so he's only going to decline. Plus his back just keeps getting worse and worse, so the smart thing for him to do long term would be to retire.

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    Alright, I know I brought up the Dallas QB controversy, but can we discuss something other than Romo lol? I was going to ask which games are people interested in this week, but man...not much to look forward to in Week 5. I mean Seattle vs Atlanta should be good, Dallas vs GB, Panthers vs Saints maybe if Cam is playing (always like to see Brees vs Cam), and....KC vs Oakland?

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    Honestly, given how well Dak's doing under center with Zeke backing up the running game for a balanced dual attack, there's literally no reason to mess with the team's rhythm by putting Romo back into the starting gig. If Dak starts to falter, then maybe he should get the shot to take over again, but for now even when he's ready to go, this is Dak's offense to run. We're probably kind of looking at a current version of the Bledsoe/Brady thing, where Bledsoe never did take the starting role back after Brady just ran away with the starting job in stride. If Dak can really back it up, and the team keeps winning, why mess with the formula? Romo can sit back, take it easy, and be useful when he's needed, but being pretty injury subjected and on a decline, they may as well just roll with the new blood in their veins, because it is working.


    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel31 View Post
    Alright, I know I brought up the Dallas QB controversy, but can we discuss something other than Romo lol? I was going to ask which games are people interested in this week, but man...not much to look forward to in Week 5. I mean Seattle vs Atlanta should be good, Dallas vs GB, Panthers vs Saints maybe if Cam is playing (always like to see Brees vs Cam), and....KC vs Oakland?
    The Eagles @ Washinton Redskins could be a very good game. Both teams have 3 wins, so this game will set the momentum for who falls in line to be with Dallas jocking for the #1 spot in the NFC East like usual. Both teams are fringe top 10 offenses in the league up to this point in stats, however the Eagles Defense is a lot better than the Redskins thus far, however the Redskins have won the last 3 meetings with the Eagles, so it could be good.

    I'm not gonna be too high strung on the Atlanta vs Seattle game. Atlanta has to travel up to Seattle, and the weather is supposed to be rainy with a decent amount of wind, so while it's current #1 ranked offense vs current ranked #1 defense, I don't know how good that game will end up being, especially with the Seahawks being one of the tougher places to play at home.

    The Ravens @ Giants could be a sleeper game to watch. Both teams are still trying to find their footing and rhythm in games with the Ravens coming off the firing of Trestman, and the Giants continuing to be kind of middling on both sides of the ball so far. As well both teams are really going to need the win here most likely. The Ravens will need to at least keep up with the Steelers or at the very least keep the win up so they don't find themselves on the fringe of being outed for a WC spot after the next 2 months pass, where as the Giants will need to win so they don't miss a step on the NFC East and hope the other 3 teams falter like they normally do because Dallas and Philly are showing great poise right now, and Washington can likely keep up better than the Giants currently are in games.

    A fair amount of games are slated for some stormy weather, so I'm not too sure I can expect a lot from this week to really show anything good. Heck I'm willing to be that a decent amount of these games pending weather strength will be run heavy in the ones slated for a strong amount of rain and wind.. But yeah, Dallas @ GB, Eagles @ Washington, Ravens @ Giants likely are ones I'd prefer to be able to watch as day games.
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    Another perfect day title for USC. ND and UCLA lost!

    Wish Sam Darnold was our starting QB from the beginning.

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    I think if ND doesn't win a national title by the end of the current contract extension in 2025, NBC says "we're done with you".

    I'm going to throw in Jim Tressel's name into the ND coaching hat. His show-cause penalty for what he did at OSU is up at the end of the season. If he could become ND's coach that would be a real shot at redemption.
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    Well the Giant vs Raven is coming up soon and I would say that the giant will win this since how the Ravens been playing so far, but I also have to remember that this is the same giants who have a history of be inconsistent and who also blew a 21 point lead against the Jaguars.

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    The Lions beat the Rams in a close game. Matt Stafford had a terrific game. It's always nice to see the Lions win. The Lions are one of those teams that do have talent, but they just cant come together. The Lions are usually very inconsistent.

    Wow, the Panthers who were just in the Super Bowl are now 1-5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NintendoFan82 View Post
    The Lions beat the Rams in a close game. Matt Stafford had a terrific game. It's always nice to see the Lions win. The Lions are one of those teams that do have talent, but they just cant come together. The Lions are usually very inconsistent.

    Wow, the Panthers who were just in the Super Bowl are now 1-5.
    I wish Golden Tate didn't have such a great game because the opposing team I'm playing against in fantasy football has him.

    Yeah I'm also pretty surprised by the Panthers, but even more surprised by the Steelers losing to Miami, didn't see that coming. Cowboys looking good too, making me rethink my stance a little on Romo being the starter when he comes back.

    Michigan moving up to 3 in the AP poll probably has you excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel31 View Post
    I wish Golden Tate didn't have such a great game because the opposing team I'm playing against in fantasy football has him.

    Yeah I'm also pretty surprised by the Panthers, but even more surprised by the Steelers losing to Miami, didn't see that coming. Cowboys looking good too, making me rethink my stance a little on Romo being the starter when he comes back.

    Michigan moving up to 3 in the AP poll probably has you excited.
    I'm actually winning my fantasy game right now. I wish I had started Drew Brees at quarterback today though he scored like 50 points. I started off my season bad because of injuries. Adrian Peterson is on the IR list..

    I'm happy for Michigan. I hope they can keep on winning. In 2006 #1 Ohio State played #2 Michigan. I'm hoping we get to see a #1 vs #2 matchup again. Hopefully this time Michigan wins.

    The Cowboys are looking good today. Aaron Rodgers doesn't look like himself out there. He hasn't thrown a single touchdown so far this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NintendoFan82 View Post
    I'm actually winning my fantasy game right now. I wish I had started Drew Brees at quarterback today though he scored like 50 points. I started off my season bad because of injuries. Adrian Peterson is on the IR list..

    I'm happy for Michigan. I hope they can keep on winning. In 2006 #1 Ohio State played #2 Michigan. I'm hoping we get to see a #1 vs #2 matchup again. Hopefully this time Michigan wins.

    The Cowboys are looking good today. Aaron Rodgers doesn't look like himself out there. He hasn't thrown a single touchdown so far this season.
    I have Drew Brees. I'm in a Yahoo keeper league with my older brother and friends, been doing it for 12-13 yrs now, it's pretty cool how we do it.

    I vaguely remember that game. Chad Henne vs Troy Smith I think and it was close.

    As for Aaron Rodgers, yeah his completion percentage has been getting worse every year, especially this year, I don't know what's up with him. I've been watching the game the whole time, some bad throws and fumbles. Oh and Cowboys are 5-1, pretty shocking if you told someone that before the season started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel31 View Post
    I have Drew Brees. I'm in a Yahoo keeper league with my older brother and friends, been doing it for 12-13 yrs now, it's pretty cool how we do it.

    I vaguely remember that game. Chad Henne vs Troy Smith I think and it was close.

    As for Aaron Rodgers, yeah his completion percentage has been getting worse every year, especially this year, I don't know what's up with him. I've been watching the game the whole time, some bad throws and fumbles. Oh and Cowboys are 5-1, pretty shocking if you told someone that before the season started.
    That's cool. Right now I'm in a ESPN league with my friends. Cam Newton is my starter at QB, but unfortunately the Panthers are off to a very bad start this season. I had a feeling the Panthers would take a small step back this season, but I never envisioned a 1-5 start.

    Troy Smith was a great college qb there's no denying that, and that's coming from a big Michigan fan lol.

    The Cowboys are doing so good under Dak. I'm surprised by the 5-1 start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikachu Fan Number Nine View Post
    I think if ND doesn't win a national title by the end of the current contract extension in 2025, NBC says "we're done with you".

    I'm going to throw in Jim Tressel's name into the ND coaching hat. His show-cause penalty for what he did at OSU is up at the end of the season. If he could become ND's coach that would be a real shot at redemption.
    Brian Kelly might be fired by the end of the season. Three 8-5 season and one 9-4 season with two better seasons (the 12-1 2012 NC finalist) and a 10-3 Fiesta Bowl loss last year. And this season looks over already, might not even reach bowl eligibility. That probably doesn't cut it at Notre Dame.

    Tressel isn't coming back to coaching. He's 63 and a university president.


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    I'm happy for Michigan. I hope they can keep on winning. In 2006 #1 Ohio State played #2 Michigan. I'm hoping we get to see a #1 vs #2 matchup again. Hopefully this time Michigan wins.
    Our defense will carry us.

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    Giant got a win but man our offense look messy at times, thank god for beckham.

    Also it look like the Browns might be the 2rd team to go 0-16.

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    Dak had a "bad" game today, so if that's a "bad" game I think Dallas is in pretty good shape right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remix2 View Post
    Also it look like the Browns might be the 2rd team to go 0-16.
    Their ineptitude is part of the reason why I left the Browns fandom. And I am trying very hard to get my brother to leave too, but he refuses to budge. I even tried pointing out that I'm not the only one in the Cleveland area to not be a Browns fan, I told him that several people who worked at a school I used to attend were Steelers fans. Still he is as stubborn as a mule - not even threats of him being cut out of my life work. I will go back to the team once they start winning more often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikachu Fan Number Nine View Post
    Their ineptitude is part of the reason why I left the Browns fandom. And I am trying very hard to get my brother to leave too, but he refuses to budge. I even tried pointing out that I'm not the only one in the Cleveland area to not be a Browns fan, I told him that several people who worked at a school I used to attend were Steelers fans. Still he is as stubborn as a mule - not even threats of him being cut out of my life work. I will go back to the team once they start winning more often.
    You are officially one of the worst fans I have ever heard from. Go cry somewhere else. The Browns don't need people like you, anyhow.

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    Yeah, at this point I don't think the Ravens are much improved from their 5-11 season last year and it's pretty clear that there's larger issues than just injuries. We just need to draft better players, there's talent deficiencies at various positions on the field (OL, WR, and OLB especially). Seems like a lost season at this point.
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    The Brown's biggest problem is keeping a coach. It takes 2-3 years for a coach to really get settled in with a team he wants, and firing a coach at the end of the year just puts the team in a state where it can't improve. But Jimmy Haslam is probably in the bottom 25% of NFL owners, and that's a very hard thing to do.

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    The other problem is drafting and finding a franchise QB. Just look at some the 1st rd QBs they drafted since like 2000. Johnny Manziel, Brandon Weeden, Brady Quinn, and Tim Couch. Then look at some of the other QBs they had on the team, Kelly Holcomb, Dilfer, Jeff Garcia, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, The McCown brothers, Ken Dorsey, etc...awful. I guess Garcia was ok, but I think he wa sat the back-end of his career when he was there. Reminds me of what Dallas went through after Aikman retired.

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