Obviously there's no discussing this because...well, she didn't flip.
Dare to Be Silly!
Ancienverse AU Fanfiction
Love in the Time of Teamwork
Once every seven years there was a tournament celebrating the bonds between people and Pokemon. Of course, Serena expected Ash to want to take part, but she had no idea the ways in which it would change their lives for good or ill. She was confident, however, that by the end of that week, something between herself and Ash would be different. Amourshipping.
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I'm not getting into much argument of whether Serena will accept Ash if she dealt with his past personalities, all I can say is, she will accept him for who he is and no matter what, her perception of him will not change. Ash have a lot of immaturity in him, even in XY, they were displayed for many times and Serena will gladly accept that because it's part of the Ash she admired so much and fell in love with.
And I don't think it's worth discussing anymore, Ash will not go back to his old self. Even SM Ash is still almost the same as XY Ash with a slapstick comedy but yeah, he's still the same.
And I don't see anything wrong with Serena being influenced by Ash's personality. She was inspired by his determination and never give up attitude which she applies to herself. And it's not like she's completely dependent of Ash. She also had inspirations with Shauna and Aria which both became her rivals. And there are times where she's independent and confident of her own skills as she grows as a character.
I honestly feel like people exaggerate SM Ash's personality. He's really not all that different to XY Ash, Still good at battling, still a caring person who is willing to help out his friends and encourage them. The only real change I've seen is that he's more hyperactive and often gets himself hurt for comedy purposes but the second part is just the fact the writers are playing up slapstick more than other series rather than Ash doing anything overly stupid.
Amour would still work fine with Alola Ash. Thus far the only "dumb" thing I feel he's done is when he jumped to try and grab the Milotic Lillie reeled in which was still done with noble intentions even if I have no idea what he was planning to acomplish, Other than that he hasn't done anything dumb, or acted stupid like people claim. Serena would probably just giggle at Ash acting all hyper and he'd be the same caring guy he was to her in XY
From the top of my head there's:
- Ash jumping in to help Lillie reel in the Milotic only to get hit by it (the one you mentioned).
- Ash carelessly touching the tail of an Alolan Exceggutor only to be hit by it.
- Jumping into a field of Tauros and getting run over by them.
- Putting too much detergent into the washing machine causing it to overflow.
- Putting too much ingredients when he was cooking.
- Running into the shopping mall doors 3 times.
That being said, there are some good moments to it like the Z-move scene, the Litten episode, the Rowlett episode and the Lillie episode (points for AmourShipping reference too).
Regardless of the case, Serena will always like Ash no matter who he is. It doesn't even look like that she'll hate him either except when he's not himself. If she was in SM, she'll probably joke around with him too or facepalm at his idiotic moments... with love.
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It would be one thing to say that Ash being more even-tempered in XY was just a coincidence in the grand scheme of the XY plot. It's another thing entirely to say that Ash was intentionally rewritten in such a way so that it reflects off Serena better.
The directors basically just admitted that they couldn't write Amourshipping in with the Ash that was there in Kanto-Sinnoh, or the Ash in Unova. They had to actively write a different characterization for the boy, and add in (or in this context, fabricate) a flashback for the sole purpose of pushing the ship forward with no regard for characterization or context.
At that point, the simple fact is that the ship mattered more to the writers than the characters in the ship themselves. That's....de-legitimizing, from my perspective.
This is why continuity is such a big deal for people. Seeing how a character progresses emotionally can go a long way toward making a ship seem genuinely created, rather than shoe-horned.
Last edited by Sonic Boom; 3rd January 2017 at 8:57 AM.
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I don't think ash was even aware it was a Tauros field, he saw a new pokemon on the other side of the path and just went towards them without realizing there were Tauros heading towards him until it was too late.
The other two aren't him being stupid, just him not knowing how to cook or do laundry which is completely understandable since these are things he's never done before, he's always had Brock/Cilan/Clemont to cook for him and probably had his clothes washed by his Mum or at the pokemon centre.
Shopping mall one I don't even remember but I'll give you that.
All the others are definately not him being overly stupid, mostly just careless or him doing things he's never done before and messing up because of it.
But yes Serena will always love Ash, for all his good qualities and bad.
I don't really see anything wrong with Serena meeting SM Ash. As many times as it's mentioned, Serena will accept Ash for who he is no matter what because what's important to her is his positive and never giving up attitude. The rest are just part of who he is. And if Serena does come back, I'm sure that the writers will put some slapstick comedy on her as well. Ash isn't the only victim of this, even Lana, Lillie and eventually, the rest as well will fall on the slapstick comedy. Serena would also be part of it and I can imagine that her kind of comedy would be about her feelings for Ash as she tries to hide it from the rest even though it gets out pretty obvious and we'd probably seeing more of "Volcano girl", lolz and hey! That's quite a fitting theme since it's Alola!
Last edited by Satoshi no masara; 3rd January 2017 at 9:06 AM.
I might be wrong on this, but wasn't the interview supposed to also explain why Ash stepped forward before the kiss? Is it going to be in a different interview? Or has that part just not been translated yet?
also i forgot to mention that some dialogue from the storyboard is actually different if you compare it to the actual last episode of XYZ
After Serena said I'll become a much more charming woman"
(Episode) Satoshi: Yeah!
(Storybord from the magazine) Satoshi : Yeah! That's the spirit!!
After the kiss
(Episode) Serena: Thank you!
(Storyboard from the magazine) Serena: Thank you Satoshi, I can do my best with this
just sharing this,
Last edited by AshSerena; 3rd January 2017 at 12:35 PM.
It was slapstick, but what happened wasn't portrayed as anyone's fault, or even anyone being careless. It's not very different from, say, the ingenuity festival episode. It's not something Serena would have criticized him for. Even Satoshi yelling at Mamane for giving him bad instructions comes across as reasonably justified anger.
Last edited by Dephender; 3rd January 2017 at 2:39 PM.
Since for some reason everyone wants to talk about the snowball scene, I might as well add my take on it
Anyways, I think the snowball scene was both their faults. Yes, Serena snapped, but Satoshi did snap at her first (again, not intentionally), but if we were to take any "irl" lessons here, it's that most of the time, no one is right in arguments. The main thing was that they made up in the end, and Serena realized her mistake by the end. If she didn't, then we would've had an issue here
As for the XY Satoshi supposedly was written on purpose for Serena, Idk about that, I took it as they only started off as having him be an inspiration for Serena and THEN went from there and anything else in his personality is coincidental. And, besides, even if that were true, guys, we've been through this before. All Satoshi's are the same yet slightly different. Did everybody forget DP Satoshi where he imo was the most serious version yet? A drastic departure from AG. Did they do that cause they felt Dawn couldn't handle his goofy and stupid side? Of course not. BW Satoshi was way more goofy and childish and Dawn still handled him fine. Sure, their interactions could changed a bit, but it's not like she couldn't "handle" him. We've been through this before. I'm not so sure why it's a big deal now
Last edited by volcanionmaster123; 3rd January 2017 at 4:17 PM.
By standard definition Serena did flip out seeing Satoshi in a depressed state and when he refused to take her consultancy. But, I think she took quite a while before losing her control. Do you think any of the past main girls would have waited this long before flipping out ? Note that, Serena did leave him for around 6-10 hours alone (the whole night) to let him figure out himself how to get out of this predicament. But seeing the weather getting worse the next morning, she took the pain of finding Ash on herself without telling anybody else. Following scene shows her running out of breath searching frantically for Ash. When she finally ends up finding him and gently offers to help him, he refused and moreover snapped out at her angrily. Serena is not a saint, she got a personality and IMO had every reason in the world to get angry at him. Who knows how longer had it taken for Ash to snap out of it by himself without Serena's help ? Because to me, it seemed he was just sitting on the log doing nothing for hours.
As for how Ash from a past region would have worked with Serena, I think DP Ash would work, AG and Alola ones would probably work too. But, I don't see Unova/Kanto Ash working with Serena, I doubt Serena would even have crush on Ash from those regions to begin with. I mean it could work, Serena would have to adjust her personality traits accordingly, but then again Amour would lose it's charm to me.
Serena always showed a deep affection, admiration and care for Ash. No one else believed in Ash so much and admired him to that extent in my opinion. Ash was more important to her than anything else- she travelled 40 episodes with Ash without a goal, because she enjoyed travelling with Ash. When she eventually found a goal, Ash was still more important to her. After her first showcase loss, Ash played a role in her inspiration and motivation- I was evident when she wore the ribbon given by Ash. Ash was always an inspiration to her- she always was motivated by Ash give-up attitude. The winding woods episode showed how much Serena cared for Ash- even after Ash acted coldly towards her out of depression, she still was concerned for Ash sometime after. During the Kalos League, she was confident that Ash would always win, and even when Ash lost to Alain eventually in the finals, she smiled as she saw that Ash was smiling as he was satisfied with the battle. In the final episode of XY, she told that Ash was her goal and gave him a kiss, and left. I will never forget Serena! Serena's crush and admiration for Ash, Amourshipping overall always made me watch XY with double interest! It will always remain the best shipping to me.
Ash×Serena- Amourshipping rules!
A match made in heaven!
I found a suspicious image. It's a fake, isn't it? There's no way Serena would suddenly appear in a "leak" for the Sun/Moon anime.
It's also not o the Serebii news page, meaning it's most likely fake.
I guess if Serena does return we may get more moments but I'm hoping that they're more comedic or maybe one of Ash's classmates can play off of Amourshipping well with teasing or whatever.
When will the XYZ anime avatars be available to use?Serena as a character>>>>>>>>>>Amourshipping
To me it was standard situation with genuine reactions because it was the first time they really reacted harshly to one another. This is what happens when you care a lot for someone, Serena was just trying to do whatever she could to get him out of his mood. It looked more like that Plan A failed, so she quickly went with plan B. I was actually glad to see that Serena stood up to him as she had every right to do so and I expect nothing less from her because of the person she is.
Also, it's not like she ran up to him to slapped him or pushed him down, it was snowballs. Nearly bursting into tears was normal too, because again...she cares a lot for him and felt hurt at the time because of what just occurred. It's called realism.
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That's why I'd have preferred Serena using the camp flashback to meet Ash, but not necessarily already be head over heels for him by episode 7. Maybe devote like the first year for her to accept his strengths and flaws. It would have been better than status quo from the beginning, and not much afterwards.But, I don't see Unova/Kanto Ash working with Serena, I doubt Serena would even have crush on Ash from those regions to begin with. I mean it could work, Serena would have to adjust her personality traits accordingly, but then again Amour would lose it's charm to me.