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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicocity View Post
    Ash wasn't always that way because people were bringing out his bad side. Misty constantly mocked him, same for Iris. In DP, it was Paul, early AG we had Max. Ash has been known to be that way when people push his buttons and make him feel inferior.
    Misty and Iris mocked Ash because he was an immature little kid, Ash didn't become an immature little kid because Misty and Iris mocked him. If XY Ash travelled with Iris she wouldn't mock him in the first place, same reason she doesn't mock Cilan. Also, Ash showed his bad side in AG without anyone inducing it (Brawly's gym).

    Quote Originally Posted by Epicocity View Post
    And Serena didn't "flip". When Ash was truly at his lowest, she went to him and offered to help. She didn't abandon him or start yelling at him, but when he told her she didn't know anything and told her to essentially "piss off" she decided on a more forceful method, not because she was really angry, but because she hated seeing him so low. Notice that literally a scene later she beats herself up about it and goes after him. I'd hardly call that "flipping" and more having a momentary moment of enhanced frustration with him.
    yea, so she flipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by snorlax512 View Post
    Misty and Iris mocked Ash because he was an immature little kid, Ash didn't become an immature little kid because Misty and Iris mocked him. If XY Ash travelled with Iris she wouldn't mock him in the first place, same reason she doesn't mock Cilan. Also, Ash showed his bad side in AG without anyone inducing it (Brawly's gym).

    yea, so she flipped
    I'm not getting into other characters here, but that's irrelevant for the point I'm making. Maybe he was immature, but he only got worse when he was mocked. Do you really think had Iris gotten a cameo in XY that she wouldn't have pulled her catchphrase out on him? That she wouldn't have mocked him?

    Obviously there's no discussing this because...well, she didn't flip.
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    I'm not getting into much argument of whether Serena will accept Ash if she dealt with his past personalities, all I can say is, she will accept him for who he is and no matter what, her perception of him will not change. Ash have a lot of immaturity in him, even in XY, they were displayed for many times and Serena will gladly accept that because it's part of the Ash she admired so much and fell in love with.

    And I don't think it's worth discussing anymore, Ash will not go back to his old self. Even SM Ash is still almost the same as XY Ash with a slapstick comedy but yeah, he's still the same.

    And I don't see anything wrong with Serena being influenced by Ash's personality. She was inspired by his determination and never give up attitude which she applies to herself. And it's not like she's completely dependent of Ash. She also had inspirations with Shauna and Aria which both became her rivals. And there are times where she's independent and confident of her own skills as she grows as a character.

    Quote Originally Posted by snorlax512 View Post
    She would still admire the good qualities that Ash always had, but in the earlier sagas Ash was not always the kind-hearted, never giving up guy. She flipped when she saw one of Ash's bad qualities, there are still many other sides of Ash which wasn't shown in XY so idk how she would cope with that.
    You should watch the episode carefully and the one that followed, Serena didn't 'flip out because of Ash's sudden outburst, she got frustrated because Ash wasn't acting like his normal self. She doesn't like seeing Ash in a state of losing confidence to himself. That's why she "welcomed" Ash back, she welcomed the real Ash by the end of the episode and she also whispered to herself "Welcome back, you who I admire the most" after Ash won against Wulfric.

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    I honestly feel like people exaggerate SM Ash's personality. He's really not all that different to XY Ash, Still good at battling, still a caring person who is willing to help out his friends and encourage them. The only real change I've seen is that he's more hyperactive and often gets himself hurt for comedy purposes but the second part is just the fact the writers are playing up slapstick more than other series rather than Ash doing anything overly stupid.

    Amour would still work fine with Alola Ash. Thus far the only "dumb" thing I feel he's done is when he jumped to try and grab the Milotic Lillie reeled in which was still done with noble intentions even if I have no idea what he was planning to acomplish, Other than that he hasn't done anything dumb, or acted stupid like people claim. Serena would probably just giggle at Ash acting all hyper and he'd be the same caring guy he was to her in XY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicocity View Post
    You mean moments like slapping his hand when he wants cake, scolding him for not paying attention when he's training, or pulling his head out of things when he's too reckless? There are plenty of aspects of her getting slightly frustrated and scolding him, she just doesn't make it a big spectacle, and he's simply matured enough to not fight back about something so stupid. Personally, I don't mind disagreements but I 1) don't look for realism in the things I watch necessarily and 2) don't like when they happen over stupid stuff. Then it feels silly and stupid.

    And Maldread, what would you expect? Serena gets a crush by him acting like a brat? He showcased one aspect of his personality: the kind heroicness. That's the part she latched on to. She wasn't around him or others who would bring out some negative traits in him long enough. And even then, I don't think it would matter. Besides, who's to say that this scene is not entirely from Serena's point of view and thus romanticizing some things. It just seems like a pointless complaint to make in the grand scheme of things...
    You forgot the time when she grabbed his wrist/hand when he wanted to battle the Frou-Frou trainer before the league, scolded him for doing it when they didn't have time then dragging him to register. I laughed a lot at that scene because it screamed "those two are like a couple".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlazeKnight7 View Post
    I honestly feel like people exaggerate SM Ash's personality. He's really not all that different to XY Ash, Still good at battling, still a caring person who is willing to help out his friends and encourage them. The only real change I've seen is that he's more hyperactive and often gets himself hurt for comedy purposes but the second part is just the fact the writers are playing up slapstick more than other series rather than Ash doing anything overly stupid.

    Amour would still work fine with Alola Ash. Thus far the only "dumb" thing I feel he's done is when he jumped to try and grab the Milotic Lillie reeled in which was still done with noble intentions even if I have no idea what he was planning to acomplish, Other than that he hasn't done anything dumb, or acted stupid like people claim. Serena would probably just giggle at Ash acting all hyper and he'd be the same caring guy he was to her in XY
    I don't think you're watching the episodes for SM thoroughly enough. There's more of these moments than that scene.
    From the top of my head there's:
    - Ash jumping in to help Lillie reel in the Milotic only to get hit by it (the one you mentioned).
    - Ash carelessly touching the tail of an Alolan Exceggutor only to be hit by it.
    - Jumping into a field of Tauros and getting run over by them.
    - Putting too much detergent into the washing machine causing it to overflow.
    - Putting too much ingredients when he was cooking.
    - Running into the shopping mall doors 3 times.

    That being said, there are some good moments to it like the Z-move scene, the Litten episode, the Rowlett episode and the Lillie episode (points for AmourShipping reference too).

    Regardless of the case, Serena will always like Ash no matter who he is. It doesn't even look like that she'll hate him either except when he's not himself. If she was in SM, she'll probably joke around with him too or facepalm at his idiotic moments... with love.


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    It would be one thing to say that Ash being more even-tempered in XY was just a coincidence in the grand scheme of the XY plot. It's another thing entirely to say that Ash was intentionally rewritten in such a way so that it reflects off Serena better.

    The directors basically just admitted that they couldn't write Amourshipping in with the Ash that was there in Kanto-Sinnoh, or the Ash in Unova. They had to actively write a different characterization for the boy, and add in (or in this context, fabricate) a flashback for the sole purpose of pushing the ship forward with no regard for characterization or context.

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    At that point, the simple fact is that the ship mattered more to the writers than the characters in the ship themselves. That's....de-legitimizing, from my perspective.


    This is why continuity is such a big deal for people. Seeing how a character progresses emotionally can go a long way toward making a ship seem genuinely created, rather than shoe-horned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTNH03 View Post
    I don't think you're watching the episodes for SM thoroughly enough. There's more of these moments than that scene.
    From the top of my head there's:
    - Ash carelessly touching the tail of an Alolan Exceggutor only to be hit by it.
    - Jumping into a field of Tauros and getting run over by them.
    - Putting too much detergent into the washing machine causing it to overflow.
    - Putting too much ingredients when he was cooking.
    I'll give you the exceggutor particually, but it's honestly not something overly stupid. Careless sure but not dumb, He was just curious about Exeggutor.

    I don't think ash was even aware it was a Tauros field, he saw a new pokemon on the other side of the path and just went towards them without realizing there were Tauros heading towards him until it was too late.

    The other two aren't him being stupid, just him not knowing how to cook or do laundry which is completely understandable since these are things he's never done before, he's always had Brock/Cilan/Clemont to cook for him and probably had his clothes washed by his Mum or at the pokemon centre.

    Shopping mall one I don't even remember but I'll give you that.

    All the others are definately not him being overly stupid, mostly just careless or him doing things he's never done before and messing up because of it.

    But yes Serena will always love Ash, for all his good qualities and bad.

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    I don't really see anything wrong with Serena meeting SM Ash. As many times as it's mentioned, Serena will accept Ash for who he is no matter what because what's important to her is his positive and never giving up attitude. The rest are just part of who he is. And if Serena does come back, I'm sure that the writers will put some slapstick comedy on her as well. Ash isn't the only victim of this, even Lana, Lillie and eventually, the rest as well will fall on the slapstick comedy. Serena would also be part of it and I can imagine that her kind of comedy would be about her feelings for Ash as she tries to hide it from the rest even though it gets out pretty obvious and we'd probably seeing more of "Volcano girl", lolz and hey! That's quite a fitting theme since it's Alola!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Boom View Post
    It would be one thing to say that Ash being more even-tempered in XY was just a coincidence in the grand scheme of the XY plot. It's another thing entirely to say that Ash was intentionally rewritten in such a way so that it reflects off Serena better.

    The directors basically just admitted that they couldn't write Amourshipping in with the Ash that was there in Kanto-Sinnoh, or the Ash in Unova. They had to actively write a different characterization for the boy, and add in (or in this context, fabricate) a flashback for the sole purpose of pushing the ship forward with no regard for characterization or context.

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    At that point, the simple fact is that the ship mattered more to the writers than the characters in the ship themselves. That's....de-legitimizing, from my perspective.


    This is why continuity is such a big deal for people. Seeing how a character progresses emotionally can go a long way toward making a ship seem genuinely created, rather than shoe-horned.
    Is that how he said it? One could also argue they have written Serena into seeing the more positive aspects of Ash, which were always there since his post-DP development. Ash has been here for nearly two decades and people to remember why they follow him in the first place. The majority of Ash's flaws have already been settled and tone down by the time he reached to XY. Even Sun and Moon didn't really belittle Ash unlike Best Wishes. In that show, he's more of a victim of circumstances and his classmates treat him with respect. So I say the it's the other way around. Ash's glory days was going to be XY with people coming to admire rather than look down upon him, and Serena's crush is just one way of showcasing that. Sun and Moon Ash would still smitten Serena as long as he is not rude to her or anyone else. And given how well he gets along with classmates, I don't think Serena will have that much problem with Sun and Moon Ash aside from him being the butt of the jokes (but I assume Serena is used to that during her adventures in XY).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadao View Post
    Is that how he said it? One could also argue they have written Serena into seeing the more positive aspects of Ash, which were always there since his post-DP development. Ash has been here for nearly two decades and people to remember why they follow him in the first place. The majority of Ash's flaws have already been settled and tone down by the time he reached to XY. Even Sun and Moon didn't really belittle Ash unlike Best Wishes. In that show, he's more of a victim of circumstances and his classmates treat him with respect. So I say the it's the other way around. Ash's glory days was going to be XY with people coming to admire rather than look down upon him, and Serena's crush is just one way of showcasing that. Sun and Moon Ash would still smitten Serena as long as he is not rude to her or anyone else. And given how well he gets along with classmates, I don't think Serena will have that much problem with Sun and Moon Ash aside from him being the butt of the jokes (but I assume Serena is used to that during her adventures in XY).
    Ah, you've beaten me to this though I don't know how to explain well myself, lol. But yeah, Ash was treated with respect as XY started. It wasn't just Serena that looked up to him (though she has the highest respect to him out of all). Even the lemon siblings look up to him. Even his rivals, Alain and Sawyer, both paid him respect. Sanpei also treated Ash with respect. Even Miette, Serena's (love) rival, admired Ash at some point (I mean most of her actions were to tick off Serena but still...) Of course, there are still some times when people laughs at him and doubts him. Best examples were while he was practicing his dance move and when he shouted that he'll be the champion at the Kalos league. Regardless, Ash was still treated with a lot of respect in XY and now that he's in Alola, despite the goofiness he has displayed, none of his classmates have belittled Ash. He have matured a lot since XY though it can't be helped that his former self would sometimes appear but it's not the same as he used to on the old days. Bottom line, Serena won't see any major problem on Sun/Moon Ash and like I've mentioned, even Serena herself would be a victim of the slapstick comedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSerena View Post
    Actually I'm the one who ask 1guy who bought the book and ask him if there is any topics or mention about Satosere, and he said that there's some , and he said he recommend this book for people who loves or fan of Satosere, still waiting for someone to leak the said interview cause i dont wanna spend a 1,800 yen for it xD,
    But I want it and will gladly pay for it.

    What's the name of the book? Do you have the ISBN or amazon links?

    Help me, please.

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    I might be wrong on this, but wasn't the interview supposed to also explain why Ash stepped forward before the kiss? Is it going to be in a different interview? Or has that part just not been translated yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlazeKnight7 View Post
    I might be wrong on this, but wasn't the interview supposed to also explain why Ash stepped forward before the kiss? Is it going to be in a different interview? Or has that part just not been translated yet?
    That was mistake on my part, when i still dont have this magazine i ask one of the japanese person who already bought the book and he did not spoil everything but he said it also include about why Ash stepped forward before the kiss , but it seems he is talking about the storyboard where it is written ”サトシ1歩2歩前に来て” means Ash stepped forward in 2 step

    also i forgot to mention that some dialogue from the storyboard is actually different if you compare it to the actual last episode of XYZ

    After Serena said I'll become a much more charming woman"

    (Episode) Satoshi: Yeah!
    (Storybord from the magazine) Satoshi : Yeah! That's the spirit!!
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    After the kiss

    (Episode) Serena: Thank you!
    (Storyboard from the magazine) Serena: Thank you Satoshi, I can do my best with this

    just sharing this,
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlazeKnight7 View Post
    Shopping mall one I don't even remember but I'll give you that.
    He and Mamane were running through a dark shopping mall where many of the passages were closed due to shutter doors, and Mamane was reading a map and shouting out directions for how to turn. The problem is that neither of them knew that the shutter doors had kept closing after they had gotten the map, so the map wasn't entirely correct, and several of the directions he was given made him run straight into closed shutters.

    It was slapstick, but what happened wasn't portrayed as anyone's fault, or even anyone being careless. It's not very different from, say, the ingenuity festival episode. It's not something Serena would have criticized him for. Even Satoshi yelling at Mamane for giving him bad instructions comes across as reasonably justified anger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicocity View Post
    Obviously there's no discussing this because...well, she didn't flip.
    I think throwing a bunch of snowballs, nearly bursting into tears, and running away because Ash showed one of the very few instances of being mopey/immature...is flipping out IMO.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Boom View Post
    It would be one thing to say that Ash being more even-tempered in XY was just a coincidence in the grand scheme of the XY plot. It's another thing entirely to say that Ash was intentionally rewritten in such a way so that it reflects off Serena better.

    The directors basically just admitted that they couldn't write Amourshipping in with the Ash that was there in Kanto-Sinnoh, or the Ash in Unova. They had to actively write a different characterization for the boy, and add in (or in this context, fabricate) a flashback for the sole purpose of pushing the ship forward with no regard for characterization or context.

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    At that point, the simple fact is that the ship mattered more to the writers than the characters in the ship themselves. That's....de-legitimizing, from my perspective.


    This is why continuity is such a big deal for people. Seeing how a character progresses emotionally can go a long way toward making a ship seem genuinely created, rather than shoe-horned.
    Basically sums it for me. Doesn't change the fact the ship is the most likely to be canon right now, but it just adds to how they handled this as a whole.

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    Since for some reason everyone wants to talk about the snowball scene, I might as well add my take on it

    Anyways, I think the snowball scene was both their faults. Yes, Serena snapped, but Satoshi did snap at her first (again, not intentionally), but if we were to take any "irl" lessons here, it's that most of the time, no one is right in arguments. The main thing was that they made up in the end, and Serena realized her mistake by the end. If she didn't, then we would've had an issue here

    As for the XY Satoshi supposedly was written on purpose for Serena, Idk about that, I took it as they only started off as having him be an inspiration for Serena and THEN went from there and anything else in his personality is coincidental. And, besides, even if that were true, guys, we've been through this before. All Satoshi's are the same yet slightly different. Did everybody forget DP Satoshi where he imo was the most serious version yet? A drastic departure from AG. Did they do that cause they felt Dawn couldn't handle his goofy and stupid side? Of course not. BW Satoshi was way more goofy and childish and Dawn still handled him fine. Sure, their interactions could changed a bit, but it's not like she couldn't "handle" him. We've been through this before. I'm not so sure why it's a big deal now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldread View Post
    I think throwing a bunch of snowballs, nearly bursting into tears, and running away because Ash showed one of the very few instances of being mopey/immature...is flipping out IMO.




    Basically sums it for me. Doesn't change the fact the ship is the most likely to be canon right now, but it just adds to how they handled this as a whole.
    For me, Amour was handled better than it's predecessors and the lack of bantering feels a fresh change, makes the relationship look more mature. It shows the level of mutual understanding they have where they'd keep aside their differences and are willing to settle for something that the other one prefers without any conflict, like the moment where Ash postpones his gym battle with Wulfric, is patient with Serena and seems to be enjoying shopping which is definitely not which interests him (XYZ-45).

    By standard definition Serena did flip out seeing Satoshi in a depressed state and when he refused to take her consultancy. But, I think she took quite a while before losing her control. Do you think any of the past main girls would have waited this long before flipping out ? Note that, Serena did leave him for around 6-10 hours alone (the whole night) to let him figure out himself how to get out of this predicament. But seeing the weather getting worse the next morning, she took the pain of finding Ash on herself without telling anybody else. Following scene shows her running out of breath searching frantically for Ash. When she finally ends up finding him and gently offers to help him, he refused and moreover snapped out at her angrily. Serena is not a saint, she got a personality and IMO had every reason in the world to get angry at him. Who knows how longer had it taken for Ash to snap out of it by himself without Serena's help ? Because to me, it seemed he was just sitting on the log doing nothing for hours.

    As for how Ash from a past region would have worked with Serena, I think DP Ash would work, AG and Alola ones would probably work too. But, I don't see Unova/Kanto Ash working with Serena, I doubt Serena would even have crush on Ash from those regions to begin with. I mean it could work, Serena would have to adjust her personality traits accordingly, but then again Amour would lose it's charm to me.

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    Serena always showed a deep affection, admiration and care for Ash. No one else believed in Ash so much and admired him to that extent in my opinion. Ash was more important to her than anything else- she travelled 40 episodes with Ash without a goal, because she enjoyed travelling with Ash. When she eventually found a goal, Ash was still more important to her. After her first showcase loss, Ash played a role in her inspiration and motivation- I was evident when she wore the ribbon given by Ash. Ash was always an inspiration to her- she always was motivated by Ash give-up attitude. The winding woods episode showed how much Serena cared for Ash- even after Ash acted coldly towards her out of depression, she still was concerned for Ash sometime after. During the Kalos League, she was confident that Ash would always win, and even when Ash lost to Alain eventually in the finals, she smiled as she saw that Ash was smiling as he was satisfied with the battle. In the final episode of XY, she told that Ash was her goal and gave him a kiss, and left. I will never forget Serena! Serena's crush and admiration for Ash, Amourshipping overall always made me watch XY with double interest! It will always remain the best shipping to me.
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    I found a suspicious image. It's a fake, isn't it? There's no way Serena would suddenly appear in a "leak" for the Sun/Moon anime.

    It's also not o the Serebii news page, meaning it's most likely fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0mbiesrock View Post
    I found a suspicious image. It's a fake, isn't it? There's no way Serena would suddenly appear in a "leak" for the Sun/Moon anime.

    It's also not o the Serebii news page, meaning it's most likely fake.
    It's fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z0mbiesrock View Post
    I found a suspicious image. It's a fake, isn't it? There's no way Serena would suddenly appear in a "leak" for the Sun/Moon anime.

    It's also not o the Serebii news page, meaning it's most likely fake.
    Yeah that's definitely fake. I'd just wait and keep an eye on the anime spoilers forum to see if there are any Serena or Amourshipping news.

    I guess if Serena does return we may get more moments but I'm hoping that they're more comedic or maybe one of Ash's classmates can play off of Amourshipping well with teasing or whatever.
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    Serena as a character>>>>>>>>>>Amourshipping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldread View Post
    I think throwing a bunch of snowballs, nearly bursting into tears, and running away because Ash showed one of the very few instances of being mopey/immature...is flipping out IMO.
    First off, just want to say that everyone has their own opinion on what "flipping out" actually is to them.

    To me it was standard situation with genuine reactions because it was the first time they really reacted harshly to one another. This is what happens when you care a lot for someone, Serena was just trying to do whatever she could to get him out of his mood. It looked more like that Plan A failed, so she quickly went with plan B. I was actually glad to see that Serena stood up to him as she had every right to do so and I expect nothing less from her because of the person she is.

    Also, it's not like she ran up to him to slapped him or pushed him down, it was snowballs. Nearly bursting into tears was normal too, because again...she cares a lot for him and felt hurt at the time because of what just occurred. It's called realism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0mbiesrock View Post
    I found a suspicious image. It's a fake, isn't it? There's no way Serena would suddenly appear in a "leak" for the Sun/Moon anime.

    It's also not o the Serebii news page, meaning it's most likely fake.
    If you didn't see it here first in Serebii then it's obviously fake.

    But I have to admit, Serena looks so cute here. A big kudos to the artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooti View Post
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    Even "mature" relationships need to have light-hearted banter. It shouldn't always be serious or polite. I felt they pushed one side well, but completely forgot about the other side.

    But, I don't see Unova/Kanto Ash working with Serena, I doubt Serena would even have crush on Ash from those regions to begin with. I mean it could work, Serena would have to adjust her personality traits accordingly, but then again Amour would lose it's charm to me.
    That's why I'd have preferred Serena using the camp flashback to meet Ash, but not necessarily already be head over heels for him by episode 7. Maybe devote like the first year for her to accept his strengths and flaws. It would have been better than status quo from the beginning, and not much afterwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel31 View Post
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    Not saying it was unjustified, but the point was people criticize Misty/Iris for calling out Ash when he was mopey/immature (in series where he behaved more like that), and when it happened in XY, Serena acted similarly. Which begs the question how the ship would have worked in any other series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokegirl Fan~ View Post
    I guess if Serena does return we may get more moments but I'm hoping that they're more comedic or maybe one of Ash's classmates can play off of Amourshipping well with teasing or whatever.
    If the whole point was for Serena to gain XP about the world, they might as well have had her go with Ash. But I guess that would have taken focus from Lillie.

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