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    Quote Originally Posted by KungFuMaster View Post
    Does someone know if this is true: https://t.co/OZIiURgMFY
    Well in one part it is true about the kiss but as far as her return it is still yet to be determined. Honestly there are lots of rumors going on in the internet about Serena's expected return but most of them were just fan made maybe because they want to keep the hype alive within the Amourshipping community. But as of now there are no actual confirmations about Serena's return. Although the petition about bringing Serena to Alola still continues to spread. I wonder if that could help in anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KungFuMaster View Post
    Does someone know if this is true: https://t.co/OZIiURgMFY
    I don't know how you could take this seriously to begin with when the director of the XY anime is Tetsuo Yajima...not Junichi Masuda. He has NOTHING to do with the anime (at least, in that sense).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KungFuMaster View Post
    Does someone know if this is true: https://t.co/OZIiURgMFY
    As a general rule: If someone authoritative on the anime (whether Dephender or otherwise) hasn't confirmed something that appears and spreads on social media like that, you shouldn't trust it. This one's no exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KungFuMaster View Post
    Does someone know if this is true: https://t.co/OZIiURgMFY
    Obviously fake lol.

    I feel like that same person keeps spreading misinformation and getting your hopes up for nothing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Citronic Gear On View Post
    As a general rule: If someone authoritative on the anime (whether Dephender or otherwise) hasn't confirmed something that appears and spreads on social media like that, you shouldn't trust it. This one's no exception.
    I agree with this the best thing to do is ask Dephender or any mod here to make sure, plus Junichi Masuda is not the anime director of XY/XYZ but it is Tetsuo Yajima
    anyway i dont think we will getting any news info regarding amourshipping for a while which is sad, its being a long time since i get hyped like this , i miss this kind of feeling xD

    and i see some people talking about there will be another interview on march? never heard about it so im not sure
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    I'm only hearing about the interview now, and from what I gathered I'm later than some to the party. Seems that they disambiguated a lot, which is appreciated for those last few pockets of arguments I've seen people have against the scene.

    Interesting that they effectively stretched this show's censorship to its limit. Gives me the feeling that we won't be seeing a comparable stunt any time soon. Even married couples in this series only kiss each other on the cheek!

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0mbiesrock View Post
    I found a suspicious image. It's a fake, isn't it? There's no way Serena would suddenly appear in a "leak" for the Sun/Moon anime.

    It's also not o the Serebii news page, meaning it's most likely fake.
    When Ash see Serena in her new Outfit he have a hard time keeping his Eyeballs in his Head & stop Drooling too.

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    Man I haven't been on Serebii for a long time, I haven't even been watching Pokemon...

    Anyway, based on what I learned in the interview, the guy basically said that Serena would be Ash's endgame. Amour is in a pretty good position and its position would most likely strengthen if Serena comes back.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Up View Post
    Man I haven't been on Serebii for a long time, I haven't even been watching Pokemon...

    Anyway, based on what I learned in the interview, the guy basically said that Serena would be Ash's endgame. Amour is in a pretty good position and its position would most likely strengthen if Serena comes back.
    For now, I say the ship is in an immune status so any threats from other ships is pretty much no effect as they have made Serena to be Ash's endgame as you mentioned. Unless they decide to do the same for future female characters and completely dump Serena and the importance of that kiss scene.

    While the chances of her return have increased a bit, it's very likely that she'll return at the the very end of Ash's journey (if it does end)

    It is quite fascinating on how the idea of Serena's anime character came from someone that has been working in the anime since the start (don't know if I'm correct here, but that's what I've read).

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    Having accomplished what she had been aiming for during her time as Kalos Queen for two years, Serena decided to end her career as a performer and starts to pursue a new goal, to be with her childhood crush; Ash Ketchum and another one that it is yet to be discovered.



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    I am pretty positive Serena won't be MC in SM because:1. We already have too many 'MCs'.
    2. She just decided to go after ribbons, so it doesn't make sense that she will go to Alola in like episode 15-18 after 'school arc' with Gary so they can travel( this is me calling out those fake theories). That means she would leave her dream and travel with Ash as being 'fanservice'.

    Anyway, What I believe is that she will have special + she will come to Alola for 8-9 episodes in 2018 like between her 4th and 5th ribbon or something, like Dawn and May returned in DP/BW respectively.

    Also, what I believe that Serena will travel with Ash in Gen 8, if Gen 8 is normal gen with contests, which I believe it would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMButch View Post
    I am pretty positive Serena won't be MC in SM because:1. We already have too many 'MCs'.
    2. She just decided to go after ribbons, so it doesn't make sense that she will go to Alola in like episode 15-18 after 'school arc' with Gary so they can travel( this is me calling out those fake theories). That means she would leave her dream and travel with Ash as being 'fanservice'.

    Anyway, What I believe is that she will have special + she will come to Alola for 8-9 episodes in 2018 like between her 4th and 5th ribbon or something, like Dawn and May returned in DP/BW respectively.

    Also, what I believe that Serena will travel with Ash in Gen 8, if Gen 8 is normal gen with contests, which I believe it would be.
    While I don't disagree with most of your post, there are way too many people who misunderstand what Serena is trying to do. She is not trying to earn ribbons and go to the Grand Festival. She is heading to Hoenn to enrich herself, study Contests by taking part in them and thus coming back as a more confident and better candidate for Kalos Queen. Therefore, she could show up in Alola if she felt it would further that goal. Think of it like a class: what Serena is doing is not necessarily enrolling in the class, but auditing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicocity View Post
    While I don't disagree with most of your post, there are way too many people who misunderstand what Serena is trying to do. She is not trying to earn ribbons and go to the Grand Festival. She is heading to Hoenn to enrich herself, study Contests by taking part in them and thus coming back as a more confident and better candidate for Kalos Queen. Therefore, she could show up in Alola if she felt it would further that goal. Think of it like a class: what Serena is doing is not necessarily enrolling in the class, but auditing it.
    Brilliant insight, Epicocity! That sounds the sort of extracurricular activity might enrich her repertoire, especially when one considers the wholly exotic traditions which would make for great performance inspiration! (Imagine her Braixen doing Kiawe's fire dance number!) If that was indeed the case, Serena may hit Alola sooner than later.

    (By the way, I've fallen in love with your latest collaboration piece with potat. And I'm not even an Amour fan! You two write everyone so on point. Keep up the great work~)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuu-Tales View Post
    Brilliant insight, Epicocity! That sounds the sort of extracurricular activity might enrich her repertoire, especially when one considers the wholly exotic traditions which would make for great performance inspiration! (Imagine her Braixen doing Kiawe's fire dance number!) If that was indeed the case, Serena may hit Alola sooner than later.

    (By the way, I've fallen in love with your latest collaboration piece with potat. And I'm not even an Amour fan! You two write everyone so on point. Keep up the great work~)
    To be quite honest, your idea of Braixen doing a Kiawe-like dance number is almost something I've taken inspiration for in my next big fic...kinda. I mean, I'm not saying anything is a certainty or even under delusions about it, but the possibility is a very real thing, you know?

    And thanks! We always appreciate kind words! (of course, we're gonna make people potentially angry next chapter until they realize our story intentions, ha ha).
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    Hi everyone. First time poster on this thread but I have followed amourshipping since I believe at the end of V1.
    Quote Originally Posted by Epicocity View Post
    While I don't disagree with most of your post, there are way too many people who misunderstand what Serena is trying to do. She is not trying to earn ribbons and go to the Grand Festival. She is heading to Hoenn to enrich herself, study Contests by taking part in them and thus coming back as a more confident and better candidate for Kalos Queen. Therefore, she could show up in Alola if she felt it would further that goal. Think of it like a class: what Serena is doing is not necessarily enrolling in the class, but auditing it.
    Isn't Serena's goal just to make people smile and be happy? I understand she's not doing contests for the same reasons other coordinators are, but wouldn't she still be able to do that in contests? Just asking because I'm writing an experimental Amourshipping fanfiction that I may or may not post, and I think some of the premise of the story may fall apart if Serena is just doing contests to better herself like you say. I may be able to work it out if Serena's motives are how you say they are, but I'm not sure. I feel like it doesn't make too much sense for Serena to dump Performances after one circuit (whatever you call it) of Performing, but I also feel it doesn't make too much sense for her to leave Performances for Contests, only to go back to Performances.
    The interview about amourshipping and saying that the people over in Japan is very interesting to me, because I finally think we can say that we've won. One of the biggest, if not the biggest, reasons that I wanted amourshipping to become canon is not actually amour becoming canon. It's the fact that I can say all the people who said Amour would never happen, and that we were fools for having any faith that it would, were wrong. Even after the kiss, I don't think you can 100% call it canon. But now that we have a interview from people over in Japan saying amour will happen eventually, makes it feel like we've won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewmenza View Post
    Hi everyone. First time poster on this thread but I have followed amourshipping since I believe at the end of V1.

    Isn't Serena's goal just to make people smile and be happy? I understand she's not doing contests for the same reasons other coordinators are, but wouldn't she still be able to do that in contests? Just asking because I'm writing an experimental Amourshipping fanfiction that I may or may not post, and I think some of the premise of the story may fall apart if Serena is just doing contests to better herself like you say. I may be able to work it out if Serena's motives are how you say they are, but I'm not sure. I feel like it doesn't make too much sense for Serena to dump Performances after one circuit (whatever you call it) of Performing, but I also feel it doesn't make too much sense for her to leave Performances for Contests, only to go back to Performances.
    You're right, her end goal is indeed to make people smile, but she perceives the position of Kalos Queen as being the position that most allows her to do that. Becoming a Top Coordinator certainly would not bring joy and smiles to the people in a way that being Kalos Queen does. She views that as her end goal. It's important to note that in XYZ 45 she never once says "I'm going to become a Coordinator". She simply says "I'm going to take part in Contests". This implies that she is still a Performer aiming for the title of Kalos Queen and is using Contests as a way of bettering herself to reach that goal and make even more people smile. After all, the Kalos Queen goal is inherently a popularity contest; were Serena to obtain it, she'd be achieving her goal.

    Though, none of this actually has to do with Amourshipping technically speaking beyond Serena using everything she can to reach that position at some point, meaning she may see Ash when he's in Alola or another region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicocity View Post
    You're right, her end goal is indeed to make people smile, but she perceives the position of Kalos Queen as being the position that most allows her to do that. Becoming a Top Coordinator certainly would not bring joy and smiles to the people in a way that being Kalos Queen does. She views that as her end goal. It's important to note that in XYZ 45 she never once says "I'm going to become a Coordinator". She simply says "I'm going to take part in Contests". This implies that she is still a Performer aiming for the title of Kalos Queen and is using Contests as a way of bettering herself to reach that goal and make even more people smile. After all, the Kalos Queen goal is inherently a popularity contest; were Serena to obtain it, she'd be achieving her goal.

    Though, none of this actually has to do with Amourshipping technically speaking beyond Serena using everything she can to reach that position at some point, meaning she may see Ash when he's in Alola or another region.
    We all know what her true end goal is...

    Also, I don't recall there being any mention of Serena attempting to become Kalos Queen again. Sure, it's a possibility, but all in all, she just wants to bring joy to the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Velasquez View Post
    We all know what her true end goal is...

    Also, I don't recall there being any mention of Serena attempting to become Kalos Queen again. Sure, it's a possibility, but all in all, she just wants to bring joy to the world.
    Considering she is still a Performer, it would be implied to be her end goal, right? I don't think she'd do it for the same reasons though. In the first Master Class, she really did it all for herself. But I do honestly think that this time around she'd take after the one who inspired her the most and do it for all those others who dreamed in order to make them all smile. So, the intent is far more important than the goal in this case.
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    Just a few more hours until we hear the English translation of the kiss scene!! Very excited yet sad to see such a wonderful ship come to a close!

    For now,

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    Wow... It's been a while. I hope everyone has been great, I'll try to get back and more active in the thread, life's been crazy. Glad to see familiar faces around still. I got a lot of pages to read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessel of Adam View Post
    Just a few more hours until we hear the English translation of the kiss scene!! Very excited yet sad to see such a wonderful ship come to a close!

    For now,
    I'll be waiting for them and see some screenshots. I don't want to watch the episode again, It's just gonna make me sad.

    For some reason, I imagine Serena's bucket list would be something like this

    1.) Improve Skills
    2.) Bring Smiles to Everyone
    3.) Kalos Queen
    4.) Become a better and charming woman for Ash
    5.) Marry Ash

    Wonder how the dub will handle the kiss scene tho. But still, dub is still dogsht.
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    Wait hold up... I thought today would be the kiss episode in english dub? but apparently its on the 21st...why such a long wait when the previous episode has already been out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessel of Adam View Post
    Wait hold up... I thought today would be the kiss episode in english dub? but apparently its on the 21st...why such a long wait when the previous episode has already been out?
    It's because somebody (on youtube) is somehow getting the dubbed episodes a few weeks before their set to air on CN. Last week, they uploaded episode 46, so 47 may be out in a few hours.

    Edit: watch the dubbed version here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB6aWoScCfk
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    So she said "You're the kind of person I want to be" instead of "you are my goal" I'm glad it was "edited" in the dub because imo, Serena needs to make her real dream a priority. The music is obviously not better than the VO but it was not as bad as I though it would be so I'm actually fine with that even if in the dub the kiss scene looks way too rushed , I don't know why...They actually included a lot of "We meet again" stuffs and Bonnie said "We ALL gonna visit you someday" something like that so I hope it is foreshadowing at least we can dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heekful View Post
    So she said "You're the kind of person I want to be" instead of "you are my goal" I'm glad it was "edited" in the dub because imo, Serena needs to make her real dream a priority. The music is obviously not better than the VO but it was not as bad as I though it would be so I'm actually fine with that even if in the dub the kiss scene looks way too rushed , I don't know why...They actually included a lot of "We meet again" stuffs and Bonnie said "We ALL gonna visit you someday" something like that so I hope it is foreshadowing at least we can dream.
    I preferred the ambiguity of the sub. "You are my goal" can have two meanings coming down to "I want to be like you" and "I want to be with you". It's up to the viewer to determine then, which she means, or perhaps she means both. But the dub removed it and made it unequivocally the former meaning, which, in my opinion, dilutes the meaning of what comes later. Likewise with the "I'll be someone you really like". It no longer carries the same impact, which is probably why you felt the kiss in the dub was rushed because the meaning and feelings are lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicocity View Post
    I preferred the ambiguity of the sub. "You are my goal" can have two meanings coming down to "I want to be like you" and "I want to be with you". It's up to the viewer to determine then, which she means, or perhaps she means both. But the dub removed it and made it unequivocally the former meaning, which, in my opinion, dilutes the meaning of what comes later. Likewise with the "I'll be someone you really like". It no longer carries the same impact, which is probably why you felt the kiss in the dub was rushed because the meaning and feelings are lost.
    Who cares at the end ? The Japanese version will always be the more important one and the most accurate so even if the dub removed it I don't really care, VO is the VO. I'm just glad they didn't censor it and the music was well done (like I said not the same level as the VO obviously) it was quite good imo. Maybe I'm overthinking it but they added a "tiny laugh" by Ash after the kiss showing that he liked it and a "take care of yourself" so that was good.
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