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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonBattleFanatic- View Post
    I'm not buying into the idea that Pikachu can magically get stronger and manage to defeat a Regice/Latios out of thin air without proper development and training,it's plain PIS.

    Pikachu/Latios=Pikachu/Regice>Kalos Pikachu=Sinnoh part 2 Pikachu=Unova part 2 Pikachu=Battle Frontier Pikachu>Hoenn Pikachu>Part 1 Sinnoh Pikachu=Part 1 Unova Pikachu>Johto Pikachu>Orange Islands Pikachu=Kanto Pikachu
    But Pikachu defeating Regice out of thin air isn't actually the case(I agree with Latios). Pikachu produced consistent performances in BF- defeating two of the Frontier Brains' aces- Lucy's Milotic, Anabel's Espeon. Comparing this performances, beating Regice wasn't just because of DEM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    But Pikachu defeating Regice out of thin air isn't actually the case(I agree with Latios). Pikachu produced consistent performances in BF- defeating two of the Frontier Brains' aces- Lucy's Milotic, Anabel's Espeon. Comparing this performances, beating Regice wasn't just because of DEM.
    You need your head examined if you think Lucy's Milotic and Anabel's Espeon are on the same level as Brandon's Regice or the rest of his Regis.

    Pikachu's performances against Milotic and Espeon are the reasons why I have Pikachu in the upper tier 2.

    Only tier 1 pokemon like Charizard,Snorlax,Sceptile,and Infernape should be able to defeat one of the Regis.

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    Ash vs Frontier Brains
    Ash: Ash-Greninja, Charizard, Peakachu, Infernape, Sceptile, Snorlax

    Frontier Brains: Regirock (Brandon), Regice (Brandon), Registeel (Brandon), Articuno (Noland), Milotic (Palmer), Claydol (Spencer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonBattleFanatic- View Post
    You need your head examined if you think Lucy's Milotic and Anabel's Espeon are on the same level as Brandon's Regice or the rest of his Regis.

    Pikachu's performances against Milotic and Espeon are the reasons why I have Pikachu in the upper tier 2.

    Only tier 1 pokemon like Charizard,Snorlax,Sceptile,and Infernape should be able to defeat one of the Regis.
    Well that's difficult to tell. Brandon's Regirock was really strong, as we saw, but Registeel and Regice weren't probably that much strong, otherwise Torkoal wouldn't have brought Registeel to its knees. Torkoal was barely tier 4 in Hoenn, surely it improved in Oak's lab, but how much? High tier 3 seems plausible. If a high tier 3 can bring Registeel to its knees, then it's not right to say that only Tier 1 Pokemon can beat it. Plus, Regice was Brandon's newest Regi, so it was probably the weakest among Brandon's Regis at that time. Regirock was the one who was really strong who can only be taken out by High Tier 1 Pokemon I guess. So Pikachu taking out Regice wasn't totally an anomaly(considering Torkoal's performance).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    Well that's difficult to tell. Brandon's Regirock was really strong, as we saw, but Registeel and Regice weren't probably that much strong, otherwise Torkoal wouldn't have brought Registeel to its knees. Torkoal was barely tier 4 in Hoenn, surely it improved in Oak's lab, but how much? High tier 3 seems plausible. If a high tier 3 can bring Registeel to its knees, then it's not right to say that only Tier 1 Pokemon can beat it. Plus, Regice was Brandon's newest Regi, so it was probably the weakest among Brandon's Regis at that time. Regirock was the one who was really strong who can only be taken out by High Tier 1 Pokemon I guess. So Pikachu taking out Regice wasn't totally an anomaly(considering Torkoal's performance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by snorlax512 View Post
    Ash vs Frontier Brains
    Ash: Ash-Greninja, Charizard, Peakachu, Infernape, Sceptile, Snorlax

    Frontier Brains: Regirock (Brandon), Regice (Brandon), Registeel (Brandon), Articuno (Noland), Milotic (Palmer), Claydol (Spencer)
    That will be a pretty decisive win for Ash.

    Snorlax vs Claydol- Snorlax
    Snorlax vs Articuno- Articuno
    Infernape(Blaze) vs Articuno- Infernape
    Infernape vs Milotic- Milotic
    Sceptile vs Milotic- Sceptile(Overgrow)
    Sceptile vs Regice- Regice
    Pikachu vs Regice- Pikachu
    Pikachu vs Registeel- Registeel
    Charizard vs Registeel- Charizard
    Charizard vs Regirock- Regirock
    Ash-Greninja vs Regirock- Ash-Greninja

    EDIT: I considered Regice battle Pikachu(not Latios battle Pikachu), and BF Charizard, otherwise all of GPCISS won't get a chance to battle xD.
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    Ash's Charizard Versus Matchups

    Ash's Charizard vs Spencer's Claydol ->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Palmer's Milotic ->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Noland's Articuno->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Brandon's Regice->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Brandon's Registeel->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Brandon's Regirock->Charizard wins
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    Ash's Greninja Versus Matchups

    Ash's Greninja vs Spencer's Claydol->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Palmer's Milotic->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Noland's Articuno->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Brandon's Regice->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Bandon's Registeel->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Brandon's Regirock->Greninja wins
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    Ash's Sceptile Versus Matchups

    Ash's Sceptile vs Spencer's Claydol->Sceptile wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Palmer's Milotic->Milotic wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Noland's Articuno->Sceptile wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Brandon's Regice->Sceptile wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Brandon's Registeel->Sceptile wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Brandon's Regirock->Draw
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    Ash's Infernape Versus Matchups

    Ash's Infernape vs Spencer's Claydol->Infernape wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Palmer's Milotic->Milotic wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Noland's Articuno->Infernape wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Brandon's Regice->Infernape wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Brandon's Registeel->Infernape wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Brandon's Regirock->Draw
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    Ash's Snorlax Versus Matchups

    Ash's Snorlax vs Spencer's Claydol->Snorlax wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Palmer's Milotic->Milotic wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Noland's Articuno->Snorlax wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Brandon's Regice->Snorlax wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Brandon's Registeel->Snorlax wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Brandon's Regirock->Regirock wins
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    Ash's Pikachu Versus Matchups

    Ash's Pikachu vs Spencer's Claydol->Pikachu wins

    Ash's Pikachu vs Palmer's Milotic->Milotic wins

    Ash's Pikachu vs Noland's Articuno->Articuno wins

    Ash's Pikachu vs Brandon's Regice->Regice wins

    Ash's Piakchu vs Brandon's Registeel->Registeel wins

    Ash's Pikachu vs Brandon's Regirock->Regirock wins

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonBattleFanatic- View Post
    Ash's Charizard Versus Matchups

    Ash's Charizard vs Spencer's Claydol ->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Palmer's Milotic ->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Noland's Articuno->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Brandon's Regice->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Brandon's Registeel->Charizard wins

    Ash's Charizard vs Brandon's Regirock->Charizard wins
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    Ash's Greninja Versus Matchups

    Ash's Greninja vs Spencer's Claydol->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Palmer's Milotic->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Noland's Articuno->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Brandon's Regice->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Bandon's Registeel->Greninja wins

    Ash's Greninja vs Brandon's Regirock->Greninja wins
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    Ash's Sceptile Versus Matchups

    Ash's Sceptile vs Spencer's Claydol->Sceptile wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Palmer's Milotic->Milotic wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Noland's Articuno->Sceptile wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Brandon's Regice->Sceptile wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Brandon's Registeel->Sceptile wins

    Ash's Sceptile vs Brandon's Regirock->Draw
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    Ash's Infernape Versus Matchups

    Ash's Infernape vs Spencer's Claydol->Infernape wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Palmer's Milotic->Milotic wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Noland's Articuno->Infernape wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Brandon's Regice->Infernape wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Brandon's Registeel->Infernape wins

    Ash's Infernape vs Brandon's Regirock->Draw
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    Ash's Snorlax Versus Matchups

    Ash's Snorlax vs Spencer's Claydol->Snorlax wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Palmer's Milotic->Milotic wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Noland's Articuno->Snorlax wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Brandon's Regice->Snorlax wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Brandon's Registeel->Snorlax wins

    Ash's Snorlax vs Brandon's Regirock->Regirock wins
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    Ash's Pikachu Versus Matchups

    Ash's Pikachu vs Spencer's Claydol->Pikachu wins

    Ash's Pikachu vs Palmer's Milotic->Milotic wins

    Ash's Pikachu vs Noland's Articuno->Articuno wins

    Ash's Pikachu vs Brandon's Regice->Regice wins

    Ash's Piakchu vs Brandon's Registeel->Registeel wins

    Ash's Pikachu vs Brandon's Regirock->Regirock wins
    Snorlax isn't beating Noland's Articuno. Charizard won against Noland's Articuno by a razor's edge. I know you won't consider Tobias battle Pikachu, but considering that Pikachu wins all of them.
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    Well im guessing the elite for members that have not appeared in the anime need more attention so in my opinion the strongest out of the strongest elite four weve ever seen is wilkstrom and for good reason.
    so let me list my list of battles hed be in and whod win.

    wilkstroms scizor> Tobias latias
    explanation: this ones close but scizor has the type advantage and in its mega form its speed is nearly unbeatable.

    wilkstrom scizor > ashs charizard
    explanation: ok now remember that it took ash greninga to nearly beat dianthas gardevoir now imagine if gardevoir was mega evolved.
    just like that scizors speed easily beats charizards especially in mega form and wilstrom being one of the strongest elite four members in the pokemon world hasa lot of skill and even though charizard has has the type advantage when it went up against articuno it nearly lost and theres a lot more evidence to prove scizor wins.

    wilkstroms scizor > tobias darkrai
    explanation: pretty much because ashs sceptile can beat darkrai and again tge biggest advantage scizor has is mega evolution and speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedGenGenesect View Post
    Well im guessing the elite for members that have not appeared in the anime need more attention so in my opinion the strongest out of the strongest elite four weve ever seen is wilkstrom and for good reason.
    so let me list my list of battles hed be in and whod win.

    wilkstroms scizor> Tobias latias
    explanation: this ones close but scizor has the type advantage and in its mega form its speed is nearly unbeatable.

    wilkstrom scizor > ashs charizard
    explanation: ok now remember that it took ash greninga to nearly beat dianthas gardevoir now imagine if gardevoir was mega evolved.
    just like that scizors speed easily beats charizards especially in mega form and wilstrom being one of the strongest elite four members in the pokemon world hasa lot of skill and even though charizard has has the type advantage when it went up against articuno it nearly lost and theres a lot more evidence to prove scizor wins.

    wilkstroms scizor > tobias darkrai
    explanation: pretty much because ashs sceptile can beat darkrai and again tge biggest advantage scizor has is mega evolution and speed.
    Wikstrom appeared for a short time in the anime and his Mega Scizor got destroyed by Diantha's Mega Gardevoir.

    I'd like to ask you something, if you think Wikstrom's Mega Scizor(who got destroyed by Mega Gardevoir) can defeat Tobias's Darkrai, how do you Ash-Greninja(who fought brilliantly against Mega Gardevoir and dealt severe damage to it) vs Tobias's Darkrai will play out? And MC-X vs Tobias's Darkrai?
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    As much as I believe the Gardevoir thing is overrated af, Greninja and Charizard win. Sceptile won against Tobias' Darkrai and it's seen as one of the weaker members of GPICSS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozocrone View Post
    As much as I believe the Gardevoir thing is overrated af, Greninja and Charizard win. Sceptile won against Tobias' Darkrai and it's seen as one of the weaker members of GPICSS.
    I also believe that Ash-Greninja and Mega Charizard-X will win against Tobias's Darkrai. Tobias's Darkrai even took hard hits from Heracross and Gible while we have seen Ash-Greninja and even Mega Sceptile one-shot similarly strong opponents. And even if the Gardevoir feat is overrated I believe Ash-Greninja=>Base Gardevoir is a fair estimate, otherwise Gardevoir wouldn't have broken a sweat after Mega Evolving, while the opposite happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    Wikstrom appeared for a short time in the anime and his Mega Scizor got destroyed by Diantha's Mega Gardevoir.

    I'd like to ask you something, if you think Wikstrom's Mega Scizor(who got destroyed by Mega Gardevoir) can defeat Tobias's Darkrai, how do you Ash-Greninja(who fought brilliantly against Mega Gardevoir and dealt severe damage to it) vs Tobias's Darkrai will play out? And MC-X vs Tobias's Darkrai?
    Well first of all itd be an easy win for ash greninga even though its hard to say it because I keeo on thinking theres a chance tobiass darkrai could win the thing is darkrai relies on ghost moves like dream eater to even stand a chance in a strong battle deeam eater is not inaffective on greninga and even sceptile bet darkrai so IIve already said enough abot darkrai vs ash greninja.

    but truly now its already been said that XY ash is the strongest ash has ever been so he can probably beat most of the trainers he had lost to before.

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    Dream Eater is Psychic so wouldn't work on the Dark-type Greninja.

    Although Xerosic's Psycho Cut...ah I don't know anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedGenGenesect View Post
    Well first of all itd be an easy win for ash greninga even though its hard to say it because I keeo on thinking theres a chance tobiass darkrai could win the thing is darkrai relies on ghost moves like dream eater to even stand a chance in a strong battle deeam eater is not inaffective on greninga and even sceptile bet darkrai so IIve already said enough abot darkrai vs ash greninja.

    but truly now its already been said that XY ash is the strongest ash has ever been so he can probably beat most of the trainers he had lost to before.
    Yes, but Ash and Greninja's bond power+synchronisation with be probably enough to get rid of Dark Void(Lysandre's mind control energy didn't work on them). Then it can suddenly catch Darkrai off-guard and KO it with a series of Aerial Aces/Cuts like Sceptile did with Leaf Blade.

    EDIT: Did Malamar's Psycho Cut work on Greninja? Difficult to say, I think it didn't hit Greninja.
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    Not sure if it did, but a scientist like Xerosic should know this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozocrone View Post
    Not sure if it did, but a scientist like Xerosic should know this stuff.
    The Anime is actually pretty inconsistent with this things- but Diantha didn't use Psychic against Ash-Greninja, so I think that the immunity stands. It's quite ridiculous though that Greninja didn't get the privilege to KO Malamar later in that episode, after KO'ing Crobat. Xerosic already gave up. Difficult to understand the writers sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedGenGenesect View Post
    Well the thing about torkoal is that unlike ash's other hoenn Pokémon he didn't really get that much training.
    Swallow was trained by ash to get Ariel ace and with the strong Pokémon Ralph's help it eventually mastered the move quickly.
    Treecko got special training on brawlys island along with ashs other Pokémon at the time and there's are other cases where this happened as well.
    Also very untrained Pokemon like ash's tododile weren't used in the Pokémon leagues by ash but torkoal being a slightly under mediocre Pokémon was used and pretty much was not ready for the big battles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedJirachi View Post
    Meh...in hindsight Torkoal was just the comic relief Pokemon like Totodile
    This, which is why fans expecting so much of him makes me giggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snorlax512 View Post
    Ash vs Frontier Brains
    Ash: Ash-Greninja, Charizard, Peakachu, Infernape, Sceptile, Snorlax

    Frontier Brains: Regirock (Brandon), Regice (Brandon), Registeel (Brandon), Articuno (Noland), Milotic (Palmer), Claydol (Spencer)
    Sceptile vs Claydol -> Sceptile
    Sceptile vs Articuno -> Articuno
    Snorlax vs Articuno -> Draw
    Peakachu vs Regice -> Peakachu
    Peakachu vs Registeel -> Registeel
    Charizard vs Registeel -> Charizard
    Charizard vs Regirock -> Draw
    Ash-Greninja vs Milotic -> Ash-Greninja

    A decisive 4-6 win for GPICSS Ash.

    ............

    Matchup: GPICSS Ash vs Brandon's Regis, Tobias's Darkrai and Latios, and Paul's Torterra

    Assuming that Paul's Torterra is in the same league as Peakachu and Charizard by this point, it should be a close 6-5 match though GPICSS Ash would still win IMO. The way I see it:

    - Infernape+Sceptile+Snorlax ~ Darkrai+Latios
    - Peakachu+Charizard ~ Regice+Registeel+Regirock
    - Ash-Greninja > Torterra
    Peakachu Progression: Surge2 (Kanto) -> Drake (OI) -> Clair2 (Johto) -> Tyson (Hoenn) -> Brandon3 (BF) -> Tobias (Sinnoh) -> Alain3 (Kalos)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genaller View Post
    Sceptile vs Claydol -> Sceptile
    Sceptile vs Articuno -> Articuno
    Snorlax vs Articuno -> Draw
    Peakachu vs Regice -> Peakachu
    Peakachu vs Registeel -> Registeel
    Charizard vs Registeel -> Charizard
    Charizard vs Regirock -> Draw
    Ash-Greninja vs Milotic -> Ash-Greninja

    A decisive 4-6 win for GPICSS Ash.

    ............

    Matchup: GPICSS Ash vs Brandon's Regis, Tobias's Darkrai and Latios, and Paul's Torterra

    Assuming that Paul's Torterra is in the same league as Peakachu and Charizard by this point, it should be a close 6-5 match though GPICSS Ash would still win IMO. The way I see it:

    - Infernape+Sceptile+Snorlax ~ Darkrai+Latios
    - Peakachu+Charizard ~ Regice+Registeel+Regirock
    - Ash-Greninja > Torterra
    Regirock vs Charizard- Charizard
    Torterra vs Charizard- Torterra(Damage taken)
    Torterra vs Infernape(Blaze)- Draw
    Registeel vs Sceptile(Overgrow)- Sceptile
    Regice vs Sceptile- Regice(Damage taken)
    Regice vs Snorlax- Draw
    Latios vs Pikachu- Draw
    Darkrai vs Ash-Greninja- Ash-Greninja

    This is assuming Paul's Torterra is on the same level as Peakachu and Charizard, I would say otherwise, it's on Blaze Infernape level in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    Regirock vs Charizard- Charizard
    Torterra vs Charizard- Torterra(Damage taken)
    Torterra vs Infernape(Blaze)- Draw
    Registeel vs Sceptile(Overgrow)- Sceptile
    Regice vs Sceptile- Regice(Damage taken)
    Regice vs Snorlax- Draw
    Latios vs Pikachu- Draw
    Darkrai vs Ash-Greninja- Ash-Greninja

    This is assuming Paul's Torterra is on the same level as Peakachu and Charizard, I would say otherwise, it's on Blaze Infernape level in my opinion.
    Seems fair. The assumption is that Paul continued training so his Torterra should have roughly the same experience as Ash's Pikachu. Btw do you disagree with my Peakachu Progression Map which indicates Pikachu's peak performance in every Saga barring BW for obvious reasons.
    Peakachu Progression: Surge2 (Kanto) -> Drake (OI) -> Clair2 (Johto) -> Tyson (Hoenn) -> Brandon3 (BF) -> Tobias (Sinnoh) -> Alain3 (Kalos)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genaller View Post
    Seems fair. The assumption is that Paul continued training so his Torterra should have roughly the same experience as Ash's Pikachu. Btw do you disagree with my Peakachu Progression Map which indicates Pikachu's peak performance in every Saga barring BW for obvious reasons.
    I'd rather say Pikachu's Latios performance was the best, Alain performance was brilliant of course, but I don't think that it tops the Latios performance. The Alain performance was still better than the Regice performance, though. And in BW, for a change Pikachu was really reset for the majority of the region, but he did put up an excellent performance in the Unova League(losing to Lucario in the end was disappointing though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    Darkrai vs Ash-Greninja- Ash-Greninja
    Topu Keko, so how is A-G is solo'ing Darkrai?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldread View Post
    Topu Keko, so how is A-G is solo'ing Darkrai?
    Because unlike you, I believe that Ash-Greninja=>Base Gardevoir, a very fair estimate from the battle. Darkrai isn't better than Base Gardevoir. I also don't see Ash-Greninja taking any damage from Heracross and Gible, which Darkrai did(judging from how it destroyed Heidayu's Bisharp and Sawyer's Sceptile after transformation).
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    A match made in heaven!



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    Ash's potential Alola ace!!!

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