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    Quote Originally Posted by satoharupika View Post
    No, it didn't transform into Ash Greninja just because it had to but because it just so happened to be activated. A regular Cut would've been just as good as Ash Greninja using the same move, excusing the plot armor.
    But there is a lot difference between base Greninja's Cut and Ash-Greninja's Cut. MC-X, in the second battle with Ash-Greninja took quite some damage from Cut. Base Greninja struck Heidayu's Bisharp with a Water Shuriken and it got up instantly, while as Ash-Greninja knocked it out easily with Cut.

    That's because of Goodra's Rain Dance which powered up Water Type moves.
    True, the Rain Dance had an impact, but if you see clearly, Bisharp wasn't as fast as Greninja to land a hit. It repeatedly tried to land Iron Head but failed. Greninja clearly out manuvuered it in speed.
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    I put EV Ace Level because Ash-Greninja didn't beat MCX...

    Unlike Charisexuals who worship their god Charizard and pray to him everyday, I actually used knowledge and facts to back it up.

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    Attack potency:House level, with snail level speeds.WW2 level tank durability.FTE reaction speed, with 40% Stamina.Intelligence: 0% Tier: 9-A.Range: several centimeters.Lifting strength: Ash
    Striking strength:MJ: Room level
    There , these are official stats for Greninja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMButch View Post
    Attack potency:House level, with snail level speeds.WW2 level tank durability.FTE reaction speed, with 40% Stamina.Intelligence: 0% Tier: 9-A.Range: several centimeters.Lifting strength: Ash
    Striking strength:MJ: Room level
    There , these are official stats for Greninja.
    That's OP.

    No wonder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Up View Post
    That's OP.

    No wonder
    Yeah, Oshawott is literally above that like ; Attack Potency: Village level. FTL speed and FTL reaction speed. Oshawott is above MCX too. Alain's MCX is like Two towers level. Speed: 9.11 M/S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Up View Post
    I put EV Ace Level because Ash-Greninja didn't beat MCX...

    Unlike Charisexuals who worship their god Charizard and pray to him everyday, I actually used knowledge and facts to back it up.
    MCX was > E4 mega ace level though

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMButch View Post
    Yeah, Oshawott is literally above that like ; Attack Potency: Village level. FTL speed and FTL reaction speed. Oshawott is above MCX too. Alain's MCX is like Two towers level. Speed: 9.11 M/S.
    I hope you stop your trolling xD.
    Quote Originally Posted by snorlax512 View Post
    MCX was > E4 mega ace level though
    Yes, definitely. It's somewhere close to Champion's Mega ace level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    I hope you stop your trolling xD.
    I am not trolling, this is a true science fact. I literally spent 200 days studying all Ash's Pokemon and figured out the formula.
    Ash's strongest Pokemon starts with P. I swear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMButch View Post
    I am not trolling, this is a true science fact. I literally spent 200 days studying all Ash's Pokemon and figured out the formula.
    Ash's strongest Pokemon starts with P. I swear.
    I think you mean O


    Quote Originally Posted by CMButch View Post
    Yeah, Oshawott is literally above that like ; Attack Potency: Village level. FTL speed and FTL reaction speed. Oshawott is above MCX too. Alain's MCX is like Two towers level. Speed: 9.11 M/S.
    Oshy was proven to be the kawaii master so he is GOD level with his shell that does 10000000000000000000 damage that cuts Earth in half

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Up View Post
    I think you mean O




    Oshy was proven to be the kawaii master so he is GOD level with his shell that does 10000000000000000000 damage that cuts Earth in half
    Actually it's P. You wouldn't believe it who it is. O is second.

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    E4 non-Ace lvl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    But there is a lot difference between base Greninja's Cut and Ash-Greninja's Cut. MC-X, in the second battle with Ash-Greninja took quite some damage from Cut. Base Greninja struck Heidayu's Bisharp with a Water Shuriken and it got up instantly, while as Ash-Greninja knocked it out easily with Cut.
    Yeah, after it was already weakened. Of course it'll go down. It's not like it didn't sustain any damage or anything. And plot armor was on Ash Greninja's side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satoharupika View Post
    Yeah, after it was already weakened. Of course it'll go down. It's not like it didn't sustain any damage or anything. And plot armor was on Ash Greninja's side.
    It didn't take any hit prior to Greninja's Water Shuriken and Ash-Greninja's Cut. It went down in those two hits from Greninja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satoharupika View Post
    Yeah, after it was already weakened. Of course it'll go down. It's not like it didn't sustain any damage or anything. And plot armor was on Ash Greninja's side.
    It wasn't weakened, not sure why people are resorting to such a ridiculous and unreasoned pretense in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    It didn't take any hit prior to Greninja's Water Shuriken and Ash-Greninja's Cut. It went down in those two hits from Greninja.
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    It wasn't weakened, not sure why people are resorting to such a ridiculous and unreasoned pretense in the first place.
    It was battling more than one Pokémon at the same time so yes, it was weakened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satoharupika View Post
    It was battling more than one Pokémon at the same time so yes, it was weakened.
    No it wasn't. One needs to get hit to be weakened lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satoharupika View Post
    It was battling more than one Pokémon at the same time so yes, it was weakened.
    Absolutely baseless. Was Bisharp sweating, panting, or kneeling? Was it stated that he was weakened?

    Please think. Pikachu wasn't even weakened after receiving multiple hits, so why would Bisharp be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 345ash-greninja View Post
    If they didn't pass out at that time, they could have also won as Gardevoir fell to its knees in exhaustion afterwards.
    Or, you know, Gardevoir could've just gotten back up. She belonged to a Champion after all, so there was no realistic way that Greninja could've beaten her.

    See, it's things like Greninja being expected to sweep a Champion that make him overrated. :/

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    Froakie/Frogadier vs Saizo's Barbaracle. Can match Razor Shell with Cut and Poison Jab with Aerial Ace, even landing a hit that crashes it into the ground and causes it to kneel (just before Saizo disappears). Even Senpei notes that Frogadier's putting up an equal fight.

    This very same Barbaracle quite cleanly OHKO's Heidayu's Bisharp with Razor Shell (early in episode).

    So logic dictates that since Frogadier is said to be equal to Barbaracle, it should win easily against Bisharp, even more so with Pikachu and Senpei's Greninja on it's side.

    Except...that's not what happens - it takes an evolution and the imperfect form to beat Bisharp.

    It's one of my biggest gripes with Greninja, it's power level fluctuates as the plot demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozocrone View Post
    Froakie/Frogadier vs Saizo's Barbaracle. Can match Razor Shell with Cut and Poison Jab with Aerial Ace, even landing a hit that crashes it into the ground and causes it to kneel (just before Saizo disappears). Even Senpei notes that Frogadier's putting up an equal fight.

    This very same Barbaracle quite cleanly OHKO's Heidayu's Bisharp with Razor Shell (early in episode).

    So logic dictates that since Frogadier is said to be equal to Barbaracle, it should win easily against Bisharp, even more so with Pikachu and Senpei's Greninja on it's side.

    Except...that's not what happens - it takes an evolution and the imperfect form to beat Bisharp.

    It's one of my biggest gripes with Greninja, it's power level fluctuates as the plot demands.
    Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozocrone View Post
    Froakie/Frogadier vs Saizo's Barbaracle. Can match Razor Shell with Cut and Poison Jab with Aerial Ace, even landing a hit that crashes it into the ground and causes it to kneel (just before Saizo disappears). Even Senpei notes that Frogadier's putting up an equal fight.

    This very same Barbaracle quite cleanly OHKO's Heidayu's Bisharp with Razor Shell (early in episode).

    So logic dictates that since Frogadier is said to be equal to Barbaracle, it should win easily against Bisharp, even more so with Pikachu and Senpei's Greninja on it's side.

    Except...that's not what happens - it takes an evolution and the imperfect form to beat Bisharp.

    It's one of my biggest gripes with Greninja, it's power level fluctuates as the plot demands.
    Well Heidayu's Bisharp overpowered Ash's Pikachu+Frogadier+Sanpei's Greninja single handedly. It was damn powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozocrone View Post
    Froakie/Frogadier vs Saizo's Barbaracle. Can match Razor Shell with Cut and Poison Jab with Aerial Ace, even landing a hit that crashes it into the ground and causes it to kneel (just before Saizo disappears). Even Senpei notes that Frogadier's putting up an equal fight.

    This very same Barbaracle quite cleanly OHKO's Heidayu's Bisharp with Razor Shell (early in episode).

    So logic dictates that since Frogadier is said to be equal to Barbaracle, it should win easily against Bisharp, even more so with Pikachu and Senpei's Greninja on it's side.

    Except...that's not what happens - it takes an evolution and the imperfect form to beat Bisharp.

    It's one of my biggest gripes with Greninja, it's power level fluctuates as the plot demands.
    Not really. Barnacle simply grew stronger and displayed more of its power later on than it did against Frogadier. You know, kinda like how Diantha purposely restrained herself against Greninja even when observers remarked how Greninja was pushing her back.

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    The most plausible explanation is that Saizo was simply holding back on Frogadier

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    We seem to have a tie between Elite 4 Non Ace Level and Chamipon Ace Level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Up View Post
    We seem to have a tie between Elite 4 Non Ace Level and Chamipon Ace Level
    It's obviously Champion Ace level.

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