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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero of Truth View Post
    So, pre-ordering USUM on Gamestop earns you a free poster featuring Necrozma, DM Necrozma, DW Necrozma, and that star creature. If this isn't confirmation (or close to) of the star being a Necrozma form (since there isn't anything else of significance on the poster), then I don't know what it is.
    Uh, that image is literally just the same as the background image on the official site as well as the boxart, both of which feature the "star creature."

    It doesn't really mean much.

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    I'm pretty sure the eyes of the star Pokemon's being similar to Necrozma's with them being made of multiple different coloured shapes also gave it away.
    There's a fair number of differences, too.



    Honestly, I'm wondering if this could be Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozma's answer to Arceus. A more powerful entity that created all three.

    Edit: After closer inspection, the colors on the creatures eyes actually match Necrozma's. Both left eyes have red, light blue, and orange while the right eyes have purple, yellow, and dark blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    Uh, that image is literally just the same as the background image on the official site as well as the boxart, both of which feature the "star creature."

    It doesn't really mean much.



    There's a fair number of differences, too.



    Honestly, I'm wondering if this could be Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozma's answer to Arceus. A more powerful entity that created all three.
    Maybe it's the same, but the fact it's with necrozma and his forms pretty much saying it will relate to necrozma somehow.

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    Necrozma literally has that star shape on the back of its head

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_N View Post
    Necrozma literally has that star shape on the back of its head

    Wasn't there an idea or theory that one of the things that Necrozma is based off is a black dwarf( which is a theoretical "dead star") in which case it's "star" Form could have been it's original form but over time like a star it burned off and lost a lot of it's energy and wound up powering down to the form that we see it in when we see it in pokemon Sun and Moon, going off this logic maybe it's figures if eats enough light that eventually it will gain enough power to go back into it's a original form.

    Which basically the concept would be a similar idea to primal reversions in that the said pokemon lost it's original power and became weaker over time, but at the same time it would be different from primal reversion.


    So the powering scaling in terms of base stats would go like this for Necrozma, and it's forms, and the Cosmog line:

    Necromza("Star Form")>Dusk Mane Necrozma = Dawn Wings Necrozma>Solgaleo = Lunala>Necrozma( Base/"Dead Star" Form or whatever you want to call it)>Cosmoem>Cosmog
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowForce720 View Post
    Wasn't there an idea or theory that one of the things that Necrozma is based off is a black dwarf( which is a theoretical "dead star") in which case it's "star" Form could have been it's original form but over time like a star it burned off and lost a lot of it's energy and wound up powering down to the form that we see it in when we see it in pokemon Sun and Moon, going off this logic maybe it's figures if eats enough light that eventually it will gain enough power to go back into it's a original form.

    Which basically the concept would be a similar idea to primal reversions in that the said pokemon lost it's original power and became weaker over time, but at the same time it would be different from primal reversion.


    So the powering scaling in terms of base stats would go like this for Necrozma, and it's forms, and the Cosmog line:

    Necromza("Star Form")>Dusk Mane Necrozma = Dawn Wings Necrozma>Solgaleo = Lunala>Necrozma( Base/"Dead Star" Form or whatever you want to call it)>Cosmoem>Cosmog
    This makes me curious if Necrozma star form will have base stats beyond Arceus, making it the first pokemon to do so without the need of a Mega/Primal.

    Since Solgaleo/Lunala have base stats of 680, Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma will likely have around 700, so what will Star Form have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy Queen View Post
    This makes me curious if Necrozma star form will have base stats beyond Arceus, making it the first pokemon to do so without the need of a Mega/Primal.

    Since Solgaleo/Lunala have base stats of 680, Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma will likely have around 700, so what will Star Form have?
    If this is Necrozma's original form, then wouldn't it sort of be it's primal form? Especially since it's been like 3000 years or more apparently? But I could see it having 680 to 700 as per the Tao trio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy Queen View Post
    This makes me curious if Necrozma star form will have base stats beyond Arceus, making it the first pokemon to do so without the need of a Mega/Primal.

    Since Solgaleo/Lunala have base stats of 680, Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma will likely have around 700, so what will Star Form have?
    Given Necrozma has 600 BST, I predict its DM and DW forms to have the same number as Solgaleo and Lunala (680) with the star form being 700 BST, maybe 708 to match up with Perfect Zygarde. I don't see GF making a Pokémon with higher BST than Arceus without it being a Mega or Primal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy Queen View Post
    This makes me curious if Necrozma star form will have base stats beyond Arceus, making it the first pokemon to do so without the need of a Mega/Primal.

    Since Solgaleo/Lunala have base stats of 680, Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma will likely have around 700, so what will Star Form have?
    I can see it being something like 732, keeping the 97 HP but having 127 stats in all of its stats, with the caveat being it not being a permanent form like Zygarde Complete and requiring a held item, but giving up Prism Armor for Beast Boost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Yusuf View Post
    I can see it being something like 732, keeping the 97 HP but having 127 stats in all of its stats, with the caveat being it not being a permanent form like Zygarde Complete and requiring a held item, but giving up Prism Armor for Beast Boost.
    They cannot give Beast Boost to a pokemon with 732 base stats. Even M Rayquaza has limits in dropping defenses move, x4 weakness to ice (even if reduced it cannot survive two ice moves) etc...
    But Beast Boost on a pokemon that is faster then Greninja, has 127 base defenses and no x4 weaknesses is just broken. Just imagine a Pheromosa as bulky as M Audino and only weak x2 to dark, bug and ghost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero of Truth View Post
    Given Necrozma has 600 BST, I predict its DM and DW forms to have the same number as Solgaleo and Lunala (680) with the star form being 700 BST, maybe 708 to match up with Perfect Zygarde. I don't see GF making a Pokémon with higher BST than Arceus without it being a Mega or Primal.
    based on kyurem forms dawn wings and dusk mane will have 700 bst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero of Truth View Post
    Given Necrozma has 600 BST, I predict its DM and DW forms to have the same number as Solgaleo and Lunala (680) with the star form being 700 BST, maybe 708 to match up with Perfect Zygarde. I don't see GF making a Pokémon with higher BST than Arceus without it being a Mega or Primal.

    So the DM/DW forms are literally Solgaleo/Lunala with a better ability and moves, but the same base stat total? Weird. This is why I wish Necrozma was a Dark type instead of Psychic. It could have made DM/DW into Dark/Steel and Dark/Ghost instead, which are two really cool types and makes it so the original Solgaleo and Lunala still have a reason to be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy Queen View Post
    So the DM/DW forms are literally Solgaleo/Lunala with a better ability and moves, but the same base stat total? Weird. This is why I wish Necrozma was a Dark type instead of Psychic. It could have made DM/DW into Dark/Steel and Dark/Ghost instead, which are two really cool types and makes it so the original Solgaleo and Lunala still have a reason to be used.
    It's already confirmed that they have better stats I think.

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