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    The new battle competition looks pretty interesting. You can only bring pokemon with 5 or more weaknesses. Also, the only items allowed are weakness berries.

    There are a LOT of grass, types in this competition. And Bulu is the only pokemon with a terrain ability in a competition where literally nothing can set up any terrain but grassy terrain and there are no poison types. So yeah, Bulu is gonna be broken. Aside from that, Terrakion and Virizion as well as the latis are allowed. There are quite a few ghost, ice and rock types too. In particular Aerodactyl's offensive typing could be scary in combination with its hidden ability, unnerve nullifying the berries. And Chandelure is strong against several really dangerous mons.
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    I'm not too sure yet what to do with it, partly because PGL and Serebii contradict each other on the battle format. Serebii says it's doubles and PGL says it's singles. But I think Tyranitar is going to be solid together with Tapu Bulu, they cover each other's weaknesses well (Bulu resists Grass, Water, Ground, and Fighting while Tyranitar resists Flying, Fire, and Poison). They're both Steel weak but there are no Steel types in Weakness Cup anyway.

    Maybe an unexpected one, but I think Togekiss is also viable in this format. Togekiss has useful resistances to Grass, Fighting, and Bug and has Air Slash to cover Grass types like Tapu Bulu, as well as Aura Sphere to cover Rock types like Tyranitar. And three of Togekiss's five weaknesses have no pokémon with STAB in Weakness cup (Poison, Steel, and Electric) with the exception of Gunk Shot Protean Greninja. Speaking of which, Protean Greninja is an interesting way to circumvent the weakness requirement.

    I also want to try out Sceptile. It takes advantage of Grassy Terrain for powerful Leaf Storms and has the fastest Quick Guard in Weakness Cup (in case of Doubles), the only Fake Out user that outruns it in Weakness Cup is Weavile. I just don't think the rest of Sceptile's special movepool is very good though, it only gets Hidden Power, Dragonbreath, and Focus Blast as non-Grass non-Normal special attacks (I don't have ORAS for move tutors)
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    Pretty sure Serebii's got it right. Apparently the Japanese, (and other) PGLs list it as doubles.

    Looks like another really interesting format. Love that they've started mixing things up again with these weird rules

    I'm quite keen to bring the Whimsicott I trained for the Tiny Tourney, but never ended up using. Looking at the viability rankings DragonWhale posted on Smogon, a Terracott combo could be viable, although I have my doubts. Outside of the lower ranks, it could be hard to pull off without a Focus Sash.

    Unfortunately Alolan Marowak, who I've really been enjoying using recently, isn't doing much without its Thick Club. Chandelure looks like a very solid replacement though.

    Be interested to see how viable Trick Room is. Been having a lot of fun with it of late, nice departure from my usual hit 'em hard and fast approach, would like to give it a try here. Don't have a huge amount of options for the setter, with Mimikyui, Oranguru and Porygon2 all eligible. Slowking's an option, but its always a pain getting Pokemon who evolve by trade. Maybe Whimsicott, although again without the Focus Sash its not exactly reliable. Alolan Exeggutor looks promising, especially with the Grassy Terrain that's likely to be everywhere.

    As for Pokemon to operate inside it, I'm quite liking the look of Guzzlord. There's not going to be a whole load of Fairies running around like usual, so its x4 weakness won't be quite as crippling. Without those two major drawbacks, its got great coverage, good attacking stats and insane HP, (although offset somewhat by its defensive stats). Could be a real threat.
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    Alolan Exeggutor is legal in Weakness Cup and can set up Trick Room. Slowbro can do it too. There are some pokémon that can take advantage of it. Crabominable is fairly slow and a hard-hitter. Palossand is also slow, and if you have Tyranitar in your team it can use Sand Veil and Shore Up to take advantage. Speaking of which, CurseTar is pretty scary in Trick Room if you manage to set up. Dhelmise has a lot of attack too, and is quite slow. Dhelmise is also the only thing that effectively gets Steel STAB in Weakness Cup. Shiinotic is slow and can run Spore. And of course there's Adaptability Crawdaunt if you have it.

    I wouldn't be so sure about the lack of Fairy types. Togekiss might be more common than you think and Ribombee is legal too.
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    what do you think is the viability with breloom in this tourney? i have come up with something weird again, im planning to run a Sceptile and also a Bellossom. the calm Bellossom will be running gastro acid to impede poison heal and in general suppress certain abilities. i do like the idea of unnerve Aerodactyl but decided that unnerve T-tar was a better fit. Togekiss ia a guaranteed choice on my part.

    i would appreciate some advice on my gastro acid Bellossom. im running a calm flinch hax Togekiss so im having a hard time putting down a final Bellosom set. the Bellosom set will be gastro acid, moonblast, moonlight/synthesis. the last slot slot is a toss up of sludge bomb/giga drain. this is by no means to be 100% competitive, its just a fun set to try. im also running a throat chop sneasel (to be a weavile) i got from WT missing SPA and HP IVs. would throat chop or punishment run better? punishment would be great on calm mind users but unreliable on unboosted pkmn.
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    Aerodactyl is going to be very good in this competition! Wide Guard, Sky Drop, Rock Slide and Tailwind all in one set + Unnerve gives so much utility for a team. Tyranitar is probably the other best rock type to use besides Aero and it can work well both in Trick Room or Tailwind. But imo Rhyperior is going to a hidden gem in this cup. Solid Rock + Weakness Policy under TR it's going to wreck teams. With STAB EQ and Rock Slide for massive spread damage and Megahorn for the plethora of grass types something is going down each time it attacks after the WP activates. And if you are afraid of Tapu Bulu's Grassy Terrain you can run Drill Run which isn't nerfed by the field!

    Other notable pokemon that I think can be amazing are Whimsicott and Ribombee due to their fairy STAB. Since there are 0 poison and 0 steel types available for this competition and with only 3 usable fire types (Marowak-alola, Chandelure and Delphox) Moonblast/Dazzling Gleam is going to be unresisted! Whimsicott is probably going to be the one most used due to its plethora of supprot moves with Prankster like Encore, Tailwind, Memento, Leech Seed, Taunt, Light Screen etc. But Ribombee provides better offensive power with Quiver Dance while also keeping some utility options with Pollen Puff's secondary use. Also it's the 4th faster pokemon in the competition behind Ninjask, Aero and Weavile and at +1 speed it speed ties with up to base 80 speed pokemon if they have TW support.

    Some other probably underrated mons are Tsareena/Bruxish that block priority, Krookodile and Masquerain due to Intimidate, Parasect for Spore-Rage Powder-Wide Guard support, Dhelmise for pseudo-steel STAB and Friend Guard Vivilion.


    Quote Originally Posted by nel3 View Post
    what do you think is the viability with breloom in this tourney? i have come up with something weird again, im planning to run a Sceptile and also a Bellossom. the calm Bellossom will be running gastro acid to impede poison heal and in general suppress certain abilities. i do like the idea of unnerve Aerodactyl but decided that unnerve T-tar was a better fit. Togekiss ia a guaranteed choice on my part.

    i would appreciate some advice on my gastro acid Bellossom. im running a calm flinch hax Togekiss so im having a hard time putting down a final Bellosom set. the Bellosom set will be gastro acid, moonblast, moonlight/synthesis. the last slot slot is a toss up of sludge bomb/giga drain. this is by no means to be 100% competitive, its just a fun set to try. im also running a throat chop sneasel (to be a weavile) i got from WT missing SPA and HP IVs. would throat chop or punishment run better? punishment would be great on calm mind users but unreliable on unboosted pkmn.
    Sludge Bomb is probably going to be better since poison types aren't common and not running STAB isn't a big deal since you have Sceptile. I definately recommend Follow Me on Togekiss and Throat Chop is probably better against bug types with Bug Buzz
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrromanis View Post
    Aerodactyl is going to be very good in this competition! Wide Guard, Sky Drop, Rock Slide and Tailwind all in one set + Unnerve gives so much utility for a team. Tyranitar is probably the other best rock type to use besides Aero and it can work well both in Trick Room or Tailwind. But imo Rhyperior is going to a hidden gem in this cup. Solid Rock + Weakness Policy under TR it's going to wreck teams. With STAB EQ and Rock Slide for massive spread damage and Megahorn for the plethora of grass types something is going down each time it attacks after the WP activates. And if you are afraid of Tapu Bulu's Grassy Terrain you can run Drill Run which isn't nerfed by the field!

    Other notable pokemon that I think can be amazing are Whimsicott and Ribombee due to their fairy STAB. Since there are 0 poison and 0 steel types available for this competition and with only 3 usable fire types (Marowak-alola, Chandelure and Delphox) Moonblast/Dazzling Gleam is going to be unresisted! Whimsicott is probably going to be the one most used due to its plethora of supprot moves with Prankster like Encore, Tailwind, Memento, Leech Seed, Taunt, Light Screen etc. But Ribombee provides better offensive power with Quiver Dance while also keeping some utility options with Pollen Puff's secondary use. Also it's the 4th faster pokemon in the competition behind Ninjask, Aero and Weavile and at +1 speed it speed ties with up to base 80 speed pokemon if they have TW support.

    Some other probably underrated mons are Tsareena/Bruxish that block priority, Krookodile and Masquerain due to Intimidate, Parasect for Spore-Rage Powder-Wide Guard support, Dhelmise for pseudo-steel STAB and Friend Guard Vivilion.
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    Sludge Bomb is probably going to be better since poison types aren't common and not running STAB isn't a big deal since you have Sceptile. I definately recommend Follow Me on Togekiss and Throat Chop is probably better against bug types with Bug Buzz
    thank you very much for the reply. i tend to run with under-rated or overshadowed pkmn but i do have had hitters to cover the weaknesses to a limited extent. i'll definitely go with sludge bomb as i totally forgot that some legends and tapu bulu are likely gonna be powerhouses. synthesis is likely a better choice if grassy terrain comes along. im running a HP fire Sceptile for steel/grass types, though i do have a HP poison bred out from before. i set up this duo to deal with breloom but it can also hit grass types. i dont often run ice types but the grass types and restrictions in general make this a must. i didnt breed a Togekiss from my gen6 team yet but im slowly getting this team together. i just need to get something transferred over/bred for this team.

    i dont care about the mega prizes but im looking forward to the battles a bit now. it sounds like a can run a few fun things even if i only end up posing minor annoyances. i do find the change up in restrictions in these recent competitions a great change. i was able to run some fun sets with some less than stellar pkmn and it does limit some OP pkmn that usually pose some serious problems to me.

    edit: im running that JPN sneasel through the elit4 a few times and im really liking the throat chop animation. this set can grow on me after a few battles.
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    hi guys i am new to this forum and i need help on my weakness cup. Would anyone like to help me? just give me some advice on what i need to change.
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    I'm sure that Grass-types will be common. I planned on an all-Grass team until I forgot about it and it's a little too late for me to create the team in a way I'd feel comfortable. I expect Serperior and Lunatis may be common Intimidate deterrents if any are viable. I had planned to have a Whimsicott use Memento on them as part of my strategy, as well as Shiftry using Defog on them. You guys can take my strategy if you want, I'm not going to compete.

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