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    Quote Originally Posted by Endless View Post
    I have only just beat Acerola's trial, so I can't comment on how big the the differences are late game, which is where the game really splits off.
    And while I do have my gripes with the game I'm pleasantly surprised by just how much they have added to the base game. I like playing slow and interacting with everyone and everything as I go, and they have really filled the game with new small stuff. They weren't kidding when they said there were like 100 "quests" in the game, even if I wouldn't have exactly called them quests. So I strongly disagree with the "20$ lategame DLC" claim going around. Only way I can understand that sentiment is if you're just rushing through the game and only talking to the people you absolutely have to.
    The problem is that these people want big stuff, not a bunch of small stuff. An island's worth of new areas. A completely new story. Extra features that are full in depth sidequests. Multiple new forms/Pokemon (more than 9 of them). USUM does none of this, and so people think the games aren't doing enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xuxuba View Post
    I think the main problem is that a lot of people weren't expecting a third version.
    If they did, a lot of them would have waited to buy the complete versions instead of the incomplete ones.
    I know i would.
    Same. Game Freak had started sending a message that they were done with third versions which made me more inclined to get the original versions and now they've come back to it. I almost feel scammed with the way they've played with my expectations.
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    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuxuba View Post
    I think the main problem is that a lot of people weren't expecting a third version.
    If they did, a lot of them would have waited to buy the complete versions instead of the incomplete ones.
    I know i would.
    No, I think it's that plenty of people were expecting a third version... but on the Switch. All because of those Stars rumors. There's been a sizable hatedom for USUM being on the 3DS since it was first teased in June.

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    Never really got the fascination with console ports for Pokemon. The point of a port is usually to catch an audience that hasn't played the originals and/or scratch the nostalgia itch of fans of the original game. USUM needs none of that, the original is on a system that currently has a larger install base than anything on the market and so there's no major audience to catch that would justify it, and SM has only been out for a year so it hasn't really been missed yet. And with Pokemon being a very compatibility based series it makes the most sense to keep the same generations on the same hardware. I get the demand for a Switch game, but the real excitement is going to come from 8th gen, not a port or remake.
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    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endless View Post
    I have only just beat Acerola's trial, so I can't comment on how big the the differences are late game, which is where the game really splits off.
    And while I do have my gripes with the game I'm pleasantly surprised by just how much they have added to the base game. I like playing slow and interacting with everyone and everything as I go, and they have really filled the game with new small stuff. They weren't kidding when they said there were like 100 "quests" in the game, even if I wouldn't have exactly called them quests. So I strongly disagree with the "20$ lategame DLC" claim going around. Only way I can understand that sentiment is if you're just rushing through the game and only talking to the people you absolutely have to.
    I feel the quests would be more appreciated if there was more to gain out of them. From what I understand, unlike games like Xenoblade, Final Fantasy, or even Monster Hunter Stories, most don't give any sort of reward to the player upon completing them and are usually just there for fluff, and while that is nice to see as it expands on the region it doesn't give a lot of incentive to do them. If there was more depth to them I think they would have more of a reception to them, but instead they just get a 'meh' response.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    No idea what you mean. Reviews like...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Taodragon View Post
    I feel the quests would be more appreciated if there was more to gain out of them. From what I understand, unlike games like Xenoblade, Final Fantasy, or even Monster Hunter Stories, most don't give any sort of reward to the player upon completing them and are usually just there for fluff, and while that is nice to see as it expands on the region it doesn't give a lot of incentive to do them. If there was more depth to them I think they would have more of a reception to them, but instead they just get a 'meh' response.
    I don't think there are that many of them that don't yield any kind of reward though? You usually get either an item or money, but I do agree that they can feel underwhelming if you don't want to do them for their own sake, since very few of them yield unique items, and you're only going to run low on money if you're buying enough balls to try to catch everything. An Ultra Ball, Revival Herb or 10 000 Pokédollars aren't exactly great prizes, if rewards are the only motivation behind why you're interacting with NPCs. Stuff like giving out Mega Stones as rewards could have been neat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat View Post
    I mean Iwao did say they're "considering" DLC for next time, but in the same interview he also said they don't pay attention to fan responses (which explains a lot). And they said this game had "double script" from SM and was an "Ultra change" from Emerald and Platinum, so it's really hard to trust a word they say. They're probably going to look at sales more than reviews to decide on that. I think if the game sells under 5 million that would be enough for them to reconsider their approach.

    And yeah, I doubt they'll sell it for $5. Probably more around $10-$20.
    Which would be ok price wise. I wouldn't mind shelling out that price for extra dlc as long as it's optional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambyssin View Post
    No, I think it's that plenty of people were expecting a third version... but on the Switch. All because of those Stars rumors. There's been a sizable hatedom for USUM being on the 3DS since it was first teased in June.
    I don't think we should underestimate the amount of casual players who don't look for pokemon rumors on the internet though.
    Also, at the time, there were a lot of rumors about Sinnoh remakes too, so that shows a reasonable amount of people were expecting a remake instead.

    Let's not forget the diehard fans who don't take rumors seriously too. I, for one, was always skeptical about that Stars rumour. After all, third versions have always been released on the same console.

    I did, however, consider the possibility of a third version for the 3ds but since they hadn't released a third version in more than 6 years, i had my doubts about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat View Post
    Same. Game Freak had started sending a message that they were done with third versions which made me more inclined to get the original versions and now they've come back to it. I almost feel scammed with the way they've played with my expectations.
    While i'm not sure they did this intentionally, i do believe the lack of a heads up impacted me and other people on a negative way, since we dind't know we weren't buying the definitive version.

    Back in the days, before generation 5, we didn't need a heads up, because a third version was almost a certainty. That's why i didn't mind them so much, because i could just wait to buy the definitive version.

    However, since a heads up would kind of spoil the announcement's surprise, i believe a dlc or a sequel would be much better options than a Third version.

    Anyway, i'm glad Iwato said they are considering DLC for the new time. Even if it's expensive, it will hardly be the price of a entirely new game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuxuba View Post
    I don't think we should underestimate the amount of casual players who don't look for pokemon rumors on the internet though.
    Also, at the time, there were a lot of rumors about Sinnoh remakes too, so that shows a reasonable amount of people were expecting a remake instead.

    Let's not forget the diehard fans who don't take rumors seriously too. I, for one, was always skeptical about that Stars rumour. After all, third versions have always been released on the same console.

    I did, however, consider the possibility of a third version for the 3ds but since they hadn't released a third version in more than 6 years, i had my doubts about it.



    While i'm not sure they did this intentionally, i do believe the lack of a heads up impacted me and other people on a negative way, since we dind't know we weren't buying the definitive version.

    Back in the days, before generation 5, we didn't need a heads up, because a third version was almost a certainty. That's why i didn't mind them so much, because i could just wait to buy the definitive version.

    However, since a heads up would kind of spoil the announcement's surprise, i believe a dlc or a sequel maybe would be a much better options than a Third version.

    Anyway, i'm glad Iwato said they are considering DLC for the new time. Even if it's expensive, it will hardly be the price of a entirely new game.
    That. I wasn't expecting USUM either. And I worked hard to save up for the previous games so it just hit me harder than usual.
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    As far as more RPG-esque sidequests go, I do like that some of them reward the player with Pokemon, but I don't think the Pokemon we get rewarded with are compelling enough to really use. Maybe if they had more Pokemon with HAs, Egg and tutor moves, perfect IVs, shinies, or Pokemon that we flat out couldn't get otherwise they'd be more worthwhile. The Ditto Five sidequest is probably the best example of the kinds of sidequests they should be having. Other than that, Mega Stones, Z-Crystals, and evolution items would be good rewards as well.

    Now what would really be neat is if they adopted Ranger's approach to sidequests where completing certain sidequests actually adds new Pokemon to the encounters. But I'm not sure if they would do that, people might not like the idea of certain Pokemon being locked behind a sidequest.
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    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuxuba View Post
    I don't think we should underestimate the amount of casual players who don't look for pokemon rumors on the internet though.
    The Stars rumors were different from most Pokemon rumors. Gaming sites started to report on the rumor, as if it had a good chance of coming true. Most Pokemon rumors never hit non-Pokemon sites, but the Stars thing really blew up at the time, like everyone thought it was real news and not a rumor.

    So that's why I disagree. I do think the Stars rumors did severely impact expectations for USUM - that and the fact that they haven't made a 3rd version in a while, so there's newer Pokemon fans who have never played a 3rd version and older fans who forget what 3rd versions are like. USUM has WAY more new in it than the typical 3rd version, yet is getting bashed, while 3rd versions are typically seen as great.

    There is also this thing on the internet though where it is popular to bash the new thing and then like it later after newer stuff has come out to replace it plus nostalgia has had time to build. USUM might have a better reputation later. Of course, that won't help Game Freak sales-wise then but...

    Edit: Oh, got a question. Last night I was at the first Poke Finder spot (the Hao'uli Shopping District one) and I got a Dunsparce there. It might've actually counted as day in-game by then, because this was like 5am or something. I had heard Poke Finder spots were unchanged in USUM, but I don't remember Dunsparce ever being there in SM. Serebii also does not report it on either the SM or USUM Poke Finder pages. Is the Poke Finder Pokemon different in USUM or no?
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    So, are we able to explore Ultra Megapolis even a little bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra Beast Lover View Post
    So, are we able to explore Ultra Megapolis even a little bit?
    Nope. It's just the street from the trailer and going up Megalo Tower.

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    After reading some of those reviews a thought came across my mind, with any fictional series that continues through the years naturally there'll be certain entries that are good and some that are bad. Some notable examples of this would be the Final Fantasy series, Star Wars, Marvel Cinematic Universe, and many more.

    In Pokemon's case we have "Generations" and logically everyone will have their own opinions about each one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endless View Post
    I don't think there are that many of them that don't yield any kind of reward though? You usually get either an item or money, but I do agree that they can feel underwhelming if you don't want to do them for their own sake, since very few of them yield unique items, and you're only going to run low on money if you're buying enough balls to try to catch everything. An Ultra Ball, Revival Herb or 10 000 Pokédollars aren't exactly great prizes, if rewards are the only motivation behind why you're interacting with NPCs. Stuff like giving out Mega Stones as rewards could have been neat.
    Ah, my mistake then, from what I saw and heard I thought there weren't that many that gave out good rewards so I assumed wrong.

    And yeah, it would've been nice to have Mega Stones given out this way, the Ditto five are a good example in that regard since they're pretty nice rewards for competitive players if they don't have their own.


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    So does anyone know how to unlock Rotom Z-Power? I really really want that two Z-move bonus when I do Acerola's trial. THANKS SO MUCH!
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    Somehow adding in ultra recon squad during awkward moments of the plot, changing how you get starters, and changing the totem boss battles mean it's "game of the year" for some people. Don't know how you can defend all the recycled cutscenes/dialog before necrozma. "Oh yes definitely 9/10 best game I sure love spending hours watching people talk the exact same from last year but ooo two creepy space people that's gonna make all the cutscenes worth it before end game"

    Yes, we've had third versions before. But at least back then you HAD FREEDOM. Not people handing you potions and revives every route. Anything you couldn't skip in previous third versions? It was brand new and did not keep going over and over again. It felt natural with those inclusions, not forced/slapped on.

    OH and I'm sure that people who want Pokemon to follow you back love the fact that Hau has the entire follow you mechanic and EVEN THE IN BATTLE ANIMATION. You don't. Your starter isn't hau's. It's not allowed.

    The only thing I do appreciate is that they did up the challenge with certain trainers having more annoying mons, or things that pack a punch like araquinid in the rain. That's about it though.

    Ah well, if only we knew a year ago that GF sold us the demo of this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulfurian View Post
    "Oh yes definitely 9/10 best game I sure love spending hours watching people talk the exact same from last year but ooo two creepy space people that's gonna make all the cutscenes worth it before end game"
    The reviews I've read (and I've only read a couple) are giving it high scores but are saying if you've played Sun or Moon then there's no real point playing this one.

    It's an interesting conundrum. Do they review it as a standalone game? Or do they review it assuming you've played the previous game?

    I'm pretty happy right now that I skipped Sun/Moon as it looks like this is one of the lazier of the third versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excitable Boy View Post
    Nope. It's just the street from the trailer and going up Megalo Tower.
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    I don't know how much this qualifies as spoiler but I ain't taking a chance:

    Is it wrong that out of all the legendary Pokemon used by the Rainbow Rocket bosses, Mewtwo is the only one I fear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokedigijedi View Post
    I don't know how much this qualifies as spoiler but I ain't taking a chance:

    Is it wrong that out of all the legendary Pokemon used by the Rainbow Rocket bosses, Mewtwo is the only one I fear?
    Its not, Mewtwo is the most powerful pokemon of all. Its natural to be terrified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhydra View Post
    Its not, Mewtwo is the most powerful pokemon of all. Its natural to be terrified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhydra View Post
    Its not, Mewtwo is the most powerful pokemon of all. Its natural to be terrified.
    Unless you A) bring a Zoroark disguised as a poison or fighting-type and Giovanni spams Psystrike, B) bring your own Mega, C) bring a Mimikyu for the free Sub, or D) bring your own Legendary (especially Ultra Necrozma). Then it's not really a problem. In my case, Silvally with the Dark Memory tanked an Aura Sphere and KO'd it with Multi Attack.

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