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    Question Need help with the team

    Zapdos @ ChestoBerry
    EV: balanced (??) Trait: Pressure
    -Drill Peck
    -Thunder Wave
    -Thunerbolt
    -Rest

    **I think its a well balanced starter pokemon

    Victreebell @ Leftovers
    EV: Atk=172/SpAtk=0/ others balanced Trait: Clorophyll
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Swords Dance
    -Synthesis
    -Sleep Powder

    **Pure physical sweeper counting with some luck

    Omastar @ Leftovers
    EV: balanced (??) maybe more sp atack? need help here... Trait: Shell Armor
    -Surf
    -Ice Bean
    -Rock Slide
    -Double Team (maybe spikes somewhere? rest?)

    Gengar @ ??? (currently leftovers)
    EV: minimizing attack to raise sp attack ... Trait: Levitate
    -Ice Punch
    -Thunderbolt
    -Psychic
    -Destiny Bond

    ** Im thinking of switch thins, ill discuss later

    Steelix @ Leftovers
    EV: minimizing SP attack raising Atk... Trait: Sturdy
    -Earthquake
    -RockSlide
    -Explosion
    -Roar

    Houndoom @ Leftovers
    EV: minimizing Attack raising SP attack... Trait: Flash Fire
    -Crunch
    -Flametrhower
    -Sunny Day
    -Solar beam

    **Standard Sunnybeaming Houndoom

    Well, if u put an close eye, my team have some great weaknesses:
    -Ice attacks
    -Fight Attacks
    -no resistances against water

    And some pokemon i have trouble to deal with:
    -Snorlax
    -Blissey
    -Milotic
    -Starmie
    -at some times, Skarmory

    I wold like to choose a new pokemon to switch on gengar, that could cover most of these weaknesses, and not being an OU one.... hard no?
    Some changes on movesets of the other members may also help if u have an idea
    Last edited by OmastarLover; 18th December 2005 at 11:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmastarLover
    Zapdos @ ChestoBerry
    EV: balanced (??) Trait: Pressure
    -Sleep talk
    -HP grass
    -Thunerbolt
    -Rest

    **I think its a well balanced starter pokemon

    Victreebell @ Leftovers
    EV: Atk=172/SpAtk=0/ others balanced Trait: Clorophyll
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Swords Dance
    -Synthesis
    -Sleep Powder

    **Pure physical sweeper counting with some luck

    ok.

    Omastar @ Leftovers
    EV: balanced (??) maybe more sp atack? need help here... Trait: Shell Armor
    -Hydro Pump
    -Ice Bean
    -Rain dance
    -Spikes

    Gengar @ ??? (currently leftovers)
    EV: minimizing attack to raise sp attack ... Trait: Levitate
    -Ice bean-not possible. Only learns Ice punch
    -Thunderbolt
    -Substitute
    -Focus Punch

    ** Im thinking of switch thins, ill discuss later

    Meh McIceGar

    Steelix @ Leftovers
    EV: minimizing SP attack raising Atk... Trait: Sturdy
    -Earthquake
    -RockSlide
    -Explosion/rest
    -Roar

    good.

    Houndoom @ Leftovers
    EV: minimizing Attack raising SP attack... Trait: Flash Fire
    -Crunch/Pursuit
    -Flametrhower/Fire Blast
    -Sunny Day
    -Solar beam

    **Standard Sunnybeaming Houndoom

    Meh.
    Well, if u put an close eye, my team have some great weaknesses:
    -Ice attacks
    -Fight Attacks
    -no resistances against water

    And some pokemon i have trouble to deal with:
    -Snorlax
    -Blissey
    -Milotic
    -Starmie
    -at some times, Skarmory

    I wold like to choose a new pokemon to switch on gengar, that could cover most of these weaknesses, and not being an OU one.... hard no?
    Some changes on movesets of the other members may also help if u have an idea

    Sunny day and Rain dance on one team ._. Great.
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    Rain Dance + Sunny day? is it a wise thing to do?

    In this case should i change trait for Swift Swim on Omastar i supose?

    Rain Dance would warn even more to the non-defense agains water my team has, no?

    What about ice Weakness, and Blissey? (it gives me nightmares)

    Oooh, and sorry for ICE BEAN, i meant Ice Punch really, EDITED

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    and besides, you mean Ice BeaM right?

    anyways go with *Ryan* but Houndoom should have HP Grass and Will-O-Wisp instead of Sunny Day and Solar Beam
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    hm, spo, WoW and HP grass over SD and SB, so, we leave the rain dance alone in omastar, right? But with Rain Dance and a high SP atk, does Omastar need Hydro Pump, over surf? i guess its a OHKO almost any non resistant Sp attack/water, no?

    But do u think Omastar is suficiently tanker to do spikes?

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    So we are now:

    Quote Originally Posted by OmastarLover
    Zapdos @ ChestoBerry
    EV: balanced (??) Trait: Pressure
    -Drill Peck
    -Thunder Wave
    -Thunerbolt
    -Rest

    Victreebell @ Leftovers
    EV: Atk=172/SpAtk=0/ others balanced Trait: Clorophyll
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Swords Dance
    -Synthesis
    -Sleep Powder

    Omastar @ Leftovers
    EV: balanced (??) maybe more sp atack? need help here... Trait: Shell Armor
    -Surf
    -Ice Bean
    -Rock Slide
    -Rain Dance

    Gengar @ ??? (currently leftovers)
    EV: minimizing attack to raise sp attack ... Trait: Levitate
    -Ice Punch
    -Thunderbolt
    -Substitute
    -Focus Punch

    McIcegar, i hope it can get rid of Bliss, but only if it doesnt switch, uh?

    ** Im thinking of switch thins, ill discuss later

    Steelix @ Leftovers
    EV: minimizing SP attack raising Atk... Trait: Sturdy
    -Earthquake
    -RockSlide
    -Explosion
    -Roar

    Houndoom @ Leftovers
    EV: minimizing Attack raising SP attack... Trait: Flash Fire
    -Crunch
    -Flametrhower
    -Hp: Grass
    -Will Of Wisp
    But what about Starmie? Ice Weakness? Water weakness?

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    Why do you have a Chesto berry on Zapdos? Sleep Talk>T-Wave and @Leftovers

    Btw, don't bother with Rock Slide on Omastar. It's going to do more damage with one of its special moves.

    Lead with Gengar.

    Replace *something* for a Special Wall. You need it.

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    Looks good.But,um,levels?

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    I guess you're totaly right... but i cant find a special wall/tank to put on Gengar's Place, cause i dont like an OOOU like Blissey (i hate it), or any other known wall... but it would definitely be good against Starmie and ice attacks!

    About RockSlide on Omastar, sometimes i get stuck with some special resistants like an Blissey, Alakazam, and rockslide is helpfull in this cases, but really i can find a better option on spikes or something else...

    Sleep Talk over Twave? i just cant feel safe without TW on zapy, is it really superior to chestorest?

    And yes, its NB team

    **protoman, they are all level 100, its NB
    Last edited by OmastarLover; 19th December 2005 at 1:37 AM.

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    I got some ideas, see if u can helps with the choose and movesets, remembering that it would substitute Gengar and need to be a SP wall/tank:

    Tentacruel: very good sp defense and i can boost it even more with EV/personality, but i dunno if ot can face starmie safely (psychic and thunderbolt)... also it would make another sludge bomb sweeper

    Dusclops: Not an UU, but not so OU i guess. Excelent tank, but again, i dnno if it can stop Starmie

    Wailord: High HP, but the defense craps... its high attack can get rid of starmie, but i dont know if it will last to do it, xD

    At least the three of them are able to face ice attacks

    suggestions? im really screwed up, LOL

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    Dusclops is just a bad Blissey if you're using it as a Sp.Wall. Starmie is one of the two Rapid Spinners that can actually hurt Dusclops, the other being Donphan.

    You could use Regice or Snorlax, but that's about all there is off the top of my head. As for UU Sp.Walls, there's Grumpig, Clefable, and Hypno, but they're kinda limited in OU. I guess Registeel could do.

    OK. Since this is NB, use HP:Grass>Drill Peck, as right now you have a bit of a Swampert weak. Since you don't have a Beller, you could use Light Screen>Rest on Zapdos, as ChestoRest isn't very good, being a one-time use, and then it's done. Use Leftovers.

    And uh... why does Omastar have Shell Armor? It should have Swift swim if you're using RD.

    Btw, next time use File -> Export to Text. That way you don't have to type it all out.
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    Hm... regice would be a good choice if it wasnt that i already use onde legendary, i think its so musch to put two on a team, no?

    Sorry, i forgot to change teh trait, but Omastar is now with Swift Swim, i just forgot to type it

    U are right about Swampert weakness.... altough houndoom have HP grass, its very risky cause its a Fire poke, hehehe

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    Don't bother on the legendary fact. It isn't a real class. Also, you have no UBERS, which differ from trios and a few other legendaries (celebi, jirachi. Also those Ev's aren't good. Here are better EV's:
    Pokemon (Nature): X (speed)/((sp.) attack/defense)

    Zapdos (???): 252 Speed, 100 Attack, 156, 2 wherever Sp. Attack (There is probably a better ev set).

    Victreebell (Adament): 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP

    Omastar(Modest): 252 Defense, 252 Sp. Attack 6 HP (There is probably a better ev set)

    Gengar(???): 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 Attack (See above in parathenses)

    Steelix(Adament): 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP

    Houndoom(Modest): 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 HP.

    There are probably better ones for all of these, but better then nothing. Also know the difference between EV's and Nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenlink
    Don't bother on the legendary fact. It isn't a real class. Also, you have no UBERS, which differ from trios and a few other legendaries (celebi, jirachi. Also those Ev's aren't good. Here are better EV's:
    Pokemon (Nature): X (speed)/((sp.) attack/defense)

    Zapdos (???): 252 Speed, 100 Attack, 156, 2 wherever Sp. Attack (There is probably a better ev set).

    Victreebell (Adament): 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP

    Omastar(Modest): 252 Defense, 252 Sp. Attack 6 HP (There is probably a better ev set)

    Gengar(???): 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 Attack (See above in parathenses)

    Steelix(Adament): 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP

    Houndoom(Modest): 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 HP.

    There are probably better ones for all of these, but better then nothing. Also know the difference between EV's and Nature.
    Yeah your EVs aren't much better as you're putting speed on Steelix and just using simple 252/252/6 spreads that could be changed around to be better.

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    If this is a NetBattle team, File --> Export to Text please.

    I see Double Team... =/


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    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireL
    and besides, you mean Ice BeaM right?

    anyways go with *Ryan* but Houndoom should have HP Grass and Will-O-Wisp instead of Sunny Day and Solar Beam
    **** I didn't see the solarbeam one o_0;;;
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    Well... i can't do the file>>export to text now cause im not home, but ill do this latter.

    The EV`s are important and i really don`t have good ideas to set up them.

    Im thinking of follow u guys and pick up Regice or Registeel as a Special Wall, any ideas for personality, EVs and movesets for them to this job?

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    Omastar @ Leftovers ** 0mastar = cool
    Trait: Shell Armor
    EVs: 196 HP / 252 Def / 62 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Rest
    - Spikes
    - Surf / Hydro Pump

    combine with blissey and celebi and you have an excellent spiker that is pretty durable for a pokemon that has a fighting and ground weak

    blissey stops special attacks from raping it, celebi stops grasses/leech seeders
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    We both that like Omastar here trying to give the best performance for this fascinating poke :P

    I just keep wondering, whats the meaning of Rest on Omastar? i guess its too slow to be able to rest when it really needs to, agree?

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    Heal Bell/Aromatherepy and predicting+knowledge

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    Finaly i did it, gor the team from text of NB, here it is as now:

    Zapdos @ Chesto Berry
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 85 HP / 85 Atk / 85 Def / 85 Spd / 85 SAtk / 85 SDef
    Hardy Nature (Neutral)
    - Drill Peck
    - Rest
    - Thunder Wave
    - Thunderbolt

    Victreebel (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 84 HP / 172 Atk / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Sleep Powder
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Swords Dance
    - Synthesis

    Omastar (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Swift Swim
    EVs: 85 HP / 168 Def / 85 Spd / 172 SAtk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Rain Dance
    - Spikes
    - Surf

    Regice @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 88 HP / 84 Spd / 252 SAtk / 84 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Rest
    - Thunderbolt
    - Toxic

    Steelix (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 116 HP / 84 Atk / 140 Def / 84 Spd / 84 SDef
    Hardy Nature (Neutral)
    - Earthquake
    - Explosion
    - Roar
    - Rock Slide

    Houndoom (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 84 HP / 84 Def / 84 Spd / 172 SAtk / 84 SDef
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Crunch
    - Flamethrower
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Will-O-Wisp

    OBS: Still have some problems with starmie (it runs from regice, obviously), and serious problems with Lax/Bliss... some problems with raikou and aerodactyl also... guess i have much to change yet

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    What's the point of roar? O.o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpetted!
    What's the point of roar? O.o
    I see.

    In-Game rate is over in that direction.

    Roar is used to force a switch, thus negating any stats that have been increased by moves such as Swords Dance, Iron Defense, etc. It's also used as a combo with Spikes to cause damage.

    That EV spread for Zapdos is awful. ._. Sure, it was probably a mistake, but you can't afford to make mistakes in NB.

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