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Old 5th October 2009, 4:35 AM
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Not power-ups? ... The Sharingan enhances Sasuke's fighting ability greatly, or else it'll have no use whatsoever. The MS takes it even further, and ALLOWS him to use those 3 eye techniques. Not to mention the Susanoo does increase his ability to withstand attacks. Without it, both of the Raikage's attacks would have crushed him.

Without activating the sharingan, he won't be able to predict attacks as well as he could, and avoid it. He also relies on the sharingan for his genjutsu.

The MS is as much a powerup as the Sage mode and the Kyuubi.
Well the Sharingan helps.

Sasuke's Susanoo doesn't increase his Chakra but it protects him from most attacks and that is just as good. Naruto has little to no defense in normal battles.
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Old 5th October 2009, 4:48 AM
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Not power-ups? ... The Sharingan enhances Sasuke's fighting ability greatly, or else it'll have no use whatsoever. The MS takes it even further, and ALLOWS him to use those 3 eye techniques. Not to mention the Susanoo does increase his ability to withstand attacks. Without it, both of the Raikage's attacks would have crushed him.

Without activating the sharingan, he won't be able to predict attacks as well as he could, and avoid it. He also relies on the sharingan for his genjutsu.

The MS is as much a powerup as the Sage mode and the Kyuubi.
The Sharingan is a tool. If the ninja is not good enough then the Sharingan becomes useless. It is nothing more than a tool, just like a shuriken
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Old 5th October 2009, 4:56 AM
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Hmm if the Sharingan is a tool, then I suppose the Bijuu are a tool aswell.

I mean, if a ninja cannot control their Bijuu, then the Bijuu is a useless monster.

Charka is also a tool since ninja who cannot manipulate Charka are useless, i.e. the Junior Ninja.
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Old 5th October 2009, 5:03 AM
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Hmm if the Sharingan is a tool, then I suppose the Bijuu are a tool aswell.

I mean, if a ninja cannot control their Bijuu, then the Bijuu is a useless monster.
There is no correlation between the two. If one possess the Sharingan they will be able to predict their opponent's movements, yes, but if they're body is too slow to react then they cannot dodge their opponent.

The Bijuu on the other hand will give their hosts power if they are in danger of dying. That is a power up because they are gaining power and Chakra while the Sharingan is not a power up as it only lets you see your opponents movements, not dodge them.
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I find the fact that Sasuke fought 4 Kage with little to no knowledge quite funny.
Correction, Sasuke fought one Kage and encountered/attempted to run away from three. I don't see what's so wrong with Sasuke's fighting the Kages.

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If I remember correctly, Naruto won that fight in the end. Also, Pain was stronger than a Kage. I mean, destroying a Hidden Village, fighting the Kyuubi, creating a moon, that's intense.
Look at the way he won. Naruto was fighting against a tired opponent that not only couldn't kill him, But wanted Naruto to understand his motives enough that he took his time in the fight and play around. Naruto had full insight on Pain's abilities and the help of several boss summons that help him take them out one at a time while the strongest body was useless, But even still was taken down. Naruto was then able to convert Nagato because of their similar pasts and the teachings of Jiraiya.

As oposed, Sasuke's situation was against several people who wanted and attempted to kill him, All at full strength, Who knew most of his abilities and had the prefect counter to his skills. Sasuke went in blind, With the help of two people who were taken out fast. Sasuke then had to content with several more people arriving at full strength, While he was weakening from the first fight. Sasuke was relying on a technique that ate away at his body and sight. Once Sasuke found his target, He attempted to run, Only to encounter several more people at full strength that wanted him dead and would have killed him had Madara not appeared.

Now please point out the part that show where Naruto would be able to win against four Kages?

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Not power-ups? ... The Sharingan enhances Sasuke's fighting ability greatly, or else it'll have no use whatsoever. The MS takes it even further, and ALLOWS him to use those 3 eye techniques. Not to mention the Susanoo does increase his ability to withstand attacks. Without it, both of the Raikage's attacks would have crushed him.

Without activating the sharingan, he won't be able to predict attacks as well as he could, and avoid it. He also relies on the sharingan for his genjutsu.

The MS is as much a powerup as the Sage mode and the Kyuubi.
Wrong, They're completely different. MS is much worst then either Sage Mode and the Kyuubi. It eats away at his sight and health, And every use takes it's toll during each fight. Sage Mode and the Kyuubi give Naruto chakra and strength without worry, And allows him to keep fighting regardless of the situation. Using MS consecutively will cause Sasuke to run out of chakra quickly, While the opposite happens with Naruto. Now, Naruto's equivalent to MS would be the Kyuubi cloak forms, But he hasn't used them in a long while.
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Without using Sage Mode or the Kyuubi? I doubt it.
no, using them.
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Old 5th October 2009, 4:18 PM
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Alright, spoilers are surprisingly out now. It's from a reliable source, so until proven otherwise, I believe it.

The Raikage tries to get at Sasuke but Madara sends him away. He later sends Karin away too to heal him.

Madara wanted Sasuke to get enough mastery of the MS to be able to use Susanoo and maybe defeat a couple of the kages. Sasuke-1, Kages-1.

He begins to explain the Eye of the Moon Plan with a long backstory about the Sage of Six Paths.

Seems the nine tailed beasts were once a single entity, the ten-tailed beast. The sage defeated the beast and sealed it in his own body. He then used its massive power to create the moon and sealed the beast there. On his deathbed, he split the beast's power into nine pieces.

It seems the Eye of the Moon Plan involves Madara fusing the nine beasts back into the ten-tails, then sealing it into himself and using the massive chakra to project a massive Tsukuyomi on the moon, ruling the world and creating a world without strife.

This is met with resistance from the kages. Raikage learns his brother is alive. Madara declares war on the five kages.
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Wow, I really hope that part about the Tailed Beast is not true.
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Sage Mode and the Kyuubi give Naruto chakra and strength without worry, And allows him to keep fighting regardless of the situation.
Sage mode doesn't, but the Kyuubi does. It shortens his lifespan. That's a worry. Remember how long it took to heal Naruto's skin after 4 tails?
Naruto's version of the sage mode isn't permanent, much like Sasuke's MS. Ideally, sage mode lasts forever, but Naruto's doesn't.
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Why does Konoha need them. Seriously, They already have done most of the work. It's like some novices running up to a firefighter and offering to help put out a fire after the firefighter has already put most of it out.
Yeah, but if Konoha is in trouble I doubt the other Kages will be so inclined to lend a hand. Heck I doubt Danzo will ever become Hokage at this point.
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It seems the Eye of the Moon Plan involves Madara fusing the nine beasts back into the ten-tails, then sealing it into himself and using the massive chakra to project a massive Tsukuyomi on the moon, ruling the world and creating a world without strife.
/Pokemon Platinum's plot.

Sort of.
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Old 6th October 2009, 1:17 AM
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/Pokemon Platinum's plot.

Sort of.
Yeah kinda.

This spoiler sounds fishy. Fusing the Bijuu? Casting a Tsukuyomi? It is Monday afterall.

Wouldn't fusing them create a creature with 44 tails not 10 tails?

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A ten-tailed beast actually sounds pretty awesome to me

Maybe because I keep imagining it as bear
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Old 6th October 2009, 2:05 AM
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A ten-tailed beast actually sounds pretty awesome to me

Maybe because I keep imagining it as bear
It would be interesting. I keep imagining a dragon though. Or a phoenix.
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Yeah kinda.

This spoiler sounds fishy. Fusing the Bijuu? Casting a Tsukuyomi? It is Monday afterall.

Wouldn't fusing them create a creature with 44 tails not 10 tails?
Sounds fishy to me too. Don't spoilers come out on Tuesday or Wednesday? Madara really doesn't seem like the person to not want strife in the world. Wasn't that more of Nagato, Jiraiya, and Minato?

If you add up 1-9 then it would be 45, but close enough. That would make more sense to me than the 10 tails. Also, hasn't it been said there have ALWAYS been nine tailed beasts with the Kyuubi being the strongest?
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Old 6th October 2009, 2:27 AM
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I'm just saying, this sounds interesting but spoilers that come out on Mondays are most likely fake.

I might be wrong but I want to wait a little while longer before I start making some more assumptions...
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If the spoilers true, Then dammit! Two crappy conspiracies confirmed in one chapter.

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Sage mode doesn't, but the Kyuubi does. It shortens his lifespan. That's a worry. Remember how long it took to heal Naruto's skin after 4 tails?
Naruto's version of the sage mode isn't permanent, much like Sasuke's MS. Ideally, sage mode lasts forever, but Naruto's doesn't.
Naruto's lifespan is only shorten while in four tail mode and higher. The lower modes don't. So unless Naruto starts popping into four tail mode every battle, It's not the same. Also, It took so long to heal because Yamato pulled him out of it. Had Naruto came out of it himself, The damage would have been gone.

Naruto's Sage Mode may no stay active indefinitely, But He found a way around that, Hasn't he?

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Yeah, but if Konoha is in trouble I doubt the other Kages will be so inclined to lend a hand. Heck I doubt Danzo will ever become Hokage at this point.
The Kages have much bigger problems then Danzo at the moment. And they really aren't in the position to do anything.
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A ten-tailed beast actually sounds pretty awesome to me

Maybe because I keep imagining it as bear
I bet you 20 bucks that if it does exist, it's inside of Sasuke.
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Old 6th October 2009, 5:50 PM
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A fuller spoiler has come out-

    Spoiler:- Full 467 Spoiler:
So far the Japanese sources are confirming it, Unlike the last time a fake was used where they quickly reveal it was fake. So it seems that we may get an early chapter.
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Old 6th October 2009, 11:44 PM
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God I hope the Jyubi looks like this.
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