Competitive Single Rates 6.0!

[mrsora]

Just a quick question, and I assume this is the place to ask.

Is Extrasensory worth it on a Togekiss special sweeper?

Right now, I run:

Togekiss@ Leftovers
Serene Grace
Modest
4 HP/252 SpA/ 252 Spe

Air Slash
Thunder Wave
Aura Sphere
Roost

Thunder Wave to paralyze what it can, Aura Sphere to help with Steels, Roost + Leftovers for some longevity, and Air Slash for STAB and a nasty flinch rate.

I'm considering re-breeding when HG/SS are out or trading for one from someone that imported the game to replace Roost with Extrasensory, for an added attack, more flinching, and a generally more annoying mid-game stall/sweeper. Thoughts?

[A d v e n t™]

Air Slash does better at stalling. Covers more types, better flinch rate and has STAB boost.

You should stick with Roost. Since I don't get much point using Extrasensory other than hitting the occasional Poison type. (Weezing, Toxicroak)

[Larry The Chimchar]

Well, my friend has been into pokemon lately(almost too much), so he asked me to battle him in a 2 vs. 2 in 'pure brute mode', or, in other words, that we simply try to k.o. each other's pokemon without any tactical aspects expect, well, pure brute. Since he is a charizard fanatic(just like I am a chimchar one),
I think its granted he will use one.

Unfortunately, I have no clue what his second pokemon might be, but I think I might fairly well start pointing fingers towards empoleon.

(I looked around and didn't find anyone mentioning a choice scarf gyara, so...)

Gyarados @ Choice scarf
Jolly @ Intimidate(duh)
4 Hp, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
-Waterfall
-Ice fang
-Return
-Stone Edge/Earthquake


Gyarados is the classic opening theme against Charizard. While I have shown my opponent the fact I have a choice scarf, he will assume I will use special attacks, since he doesn't get to do much deep research.
Waterfall is powerful, and with STAB, it reaches 120 base power. Aqua tail is a useless trade, since it has 10% less accuracy, no chance for flinch, and only 15 more total power(STAB included). Ice fang is there really only as a filler, but it can be good against dragonair, another pokemon Gyarados is more than likely to encounter. Return has a perfect coverage in OU/UU/NU enirovment, expect for shedinja and Empoleon, and my opponent would never use the former, leaving the last space with two options. Stone Edge is there for Charizard, although Waterfall beats said pokemon up fairly good anyway, while Earthquake is good against a possibly oncoming Empoleon.

Another useful fact is that gyarados has Intimidate, something that lowers Charizard physical variants.

I'll bring the next one later, should this one get comments.

[kiltank]

how much do you know about your friend. does he ev train? is he smart enough to bring 1 physical attacker and 1 special? what is a possible third pokemon he would bring? those are all questions you should figure out. they will help. if he doesnt ev train, then you will own him if you do. if he brings, say, two special attackers, then bring gallade, who has offense and special defense bulk. and, of course a third pokemon makes life easier. account for it, and it will be easier to beat.

anyway, based on what you do have written already, definitely EQ, and im not sure on the item. i hate choice items, but thats just me.

[Eaglehawk]

Originally Posted by Larry The Chimchar

Well, my friend has been into pokemon lately(almost too much), so he asked me to battle him in a 2 vs. 2 in 'pure brute mode', or, in other words, that we simply try to k.o. each other's pokemon without any tactical aspects expect, well, pure brute. Since he is a charizard fanatic(just like I am a chimchar one),
I think its granted he will use one.

Unfortunately, I have no clue what his second pokemon might be, but I think I might fairly well start pointing fingers towards empoleon.

(I looked around and didn't find anyone mentioning a choice scarf gyara, so...)

Gyarados @ Choice scarf
Jolly @ Intimidate(duh)
4 Hp, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
-Waterfall
-Ice fang
-Return
-Stone Edge/Earthquake


Gyarados is the classic opening theme against Charizard. While I have shown my opponent the fact I have a choice scarf, he will assume I will use special attacks, since he doesn't get to do much deep research.
Waterfall is powerful, and with STAB, it reaches 120 base power. Aqua tail is a useless trade, since it has 10% less accuracy, no chance for flinch, and only 15 more total power(STAB included). Ice fang is there really only as a filler, but it can be good against dragonair, another pokemon Gyarados is more than likely to encounter. Return has a perfect coverage in OU/UU/NU enirovment, expect for shedinja and Empoleon, and my opponent would never use the former, leaving the last space with two options. Stone Edge is there for Charizard, although Waterfall beats said pokemon up fairly good anyway, while Earthquake is good against a possibly oncoming Empoleon.

Another useful fact is that gyarados has Intimidate, something that lowers Charizard physical variants.

I'll bring the next one later, should this one get comments.

#1) Charizard was never meant to be physical. Its good stat is SpAtt.
#2) Pure brute isn't really considered Competitive Battling. It's basically what 5 year-olds do with pokemon.
#3) U got ur tiers messed up.

[Larry The Chimchar]

Here's another one. Quite offensive while being annoying.

Gengar @ Wide Lens/Leftovers
Bold @ Levitate
200 Hp, 200 Spe, 108 SpA
-Hypnosis
-Curse/Dream eater
-Shadow ball
-Focus Blast

Leftovers is there for health recovery, but with Hypnosis having such a horrible accuracy, I think I'll go with Wide Lens. Curse is only useful together with Leftovers, and lowers the opponents health while they are asleep.
Dream Eater is the choice if I go with zoom lens, and shadow ball+Focus blast are strong and have a perfect coverage. Overall, this is about making the opponent fall asleep, and then either absorb their health or rack up damage with curse and leftovers.

[Bulldogs]

Dream Eater is usually a waste of a move-slot as any competent player will switch 90% of the time. Also, Gengar lacks the natural bulk to merit any investment in it's HP and Defenses, unless of course they allow you to survive Scizor's Bullet Punch or something.

[The Trapinch]

Curse has no use without mean look.The same as hypnosis - 100% of players will just switch out.

[gingbino11]

You forgot to add Shadow and Jolteon to this list.

[ShinyCJ]

Ok I have a small issue. I have:
Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
252 Sp. Att/ 252 Speed
Eruption
HP Grass
Focus Blast
Earthquake

I like the set for the most part, but I don't know whether or not earthquake is worth it because it doesn't have as much power due to being a physical attack. I'm not really sure what I would replace it with, maybe something to hit flying-types.

[Bulldogs]

You could use Fire Blast or Flamethrower for when his health gets low. Or Overheat condering he's a Scarfer. Other than that, his movepool is very limited.

[lkelder0511]

Overheat is also an option, Focus punch will let you destroy blissey and tyranitar and hit tran pretty hard but if you really want something to hit flying types you can give it thunderpunch

[Brikien93]

Here's a setup i've been wondering about the warranty of. I know it doesn't pack anywhere near as much power as the swords dancer or choice band set, but surely an agility drapion isn't out of the question with some support amirite?

Drapion @ Life Orb
Ability: Sniper
Adamant nature
252 Atk, 248 HP, 8 Def
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Aqua Tail
- Night Slash

Thanks to Drapions fantastic 95 base speed, he doesn't have to invest a single point in speed to be an effective agility sweeper. Earthquake is an obligatory coverage move useful for hitting stuff like lanturn, probopass, aggron, steelix, magneton and friends. Aqua Tail doesn't get massive amounts of coverage, but it is useful for slamming into Rhyperior as hard as you possibly can. Night Slash rounds off the set as your STAB move of choice benefiting from that wonderful ability sniper.

Personally, I think the Swords Dance set is better at sweeping, but this could still warrant use. Any ideas for it?

[kiltank]

Here's a setup i've been wondering about the warranty of. I know it doesn't pack anywhere near as much power as the swords dancer or choice band set, but surely an agility drapion isn't out of the question with some support amirite?

Drapion @ Life Orb
Ability: Sniper
Adamant nature
252 Atk, 248 HP, 8 Def
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Aqua Tail
- Night Slash

Thanks to Drapions fantastic 95 base speed, he doesn't have to invest a single point in speed to be an effective agility sweeper. Earthquake is an obligatory coverage move useful for hitting stuff like lanturn, probopass, aggron, steelix, magneton and friends. Aqua Tail doesn't get massive amounts of coverage, but it is useful for slamming into Rhyperior as hard as you possibly can. Night Slash rounds off the set as your STAB move of choice benefiting from that wonderful ability sniper.

Personally, I think the Swords Dance set is better at sweeping, but this could still warrant use. Any ideas for it?

i dont see anything wrong with it, but...

Aqua Tail doesn't get massive amounts of coverage, but it is useful for slamming into Rhyperior as hard as you possibly can.

you have earthquake on the set aswell...?

[The Trapinch]

You could maybe try Cross Poison for grass coverage (ironically, your set would suck against Shiftry and cacturne) and another Sniper-move(+STAB naturally)

[Bulldogs]

You could try Agility and SD on the same set. Just a thought.

[arceus7]

Why don’t you try earthpower for typhlosion

[Bulldogs]

He doesn't get EP.

[lkelder0511]

Lolololololololololol classic

[Darkfall]

Because Rhyperior is 4x weak to water and only 2x weak to ground? =/